BenSavage 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Can someone plz inform us extremely unpolitical savvy why Hillary is so bad?!? N why Obama is so goot?!?On policy issues, Hillary and Obama are almost identical. One difference is that Hillary has a mandate that everyone sign up for her universal health care, and Obama has universal health care plans as well, but he only mandates that children get it. Hillary's kind of health care has been tried on a state level and few times, especially in Mitt Romney's Massachusetts. In Mass. you either paid for the health care or you were fined or taxed for it anyway. Hillary has never made a point on how she is going to make those that don't want health care pay for it anyway. That's the only glaring difference between the two on issues. I guess you could give the experience title to Hillary, if you count First Lady as experience.The key difference is that Hillary is determined to fight the Republicans, Obama has been banking on his unity factor. I don't see how Hillary can bring the GOP and Dems together the way someone like Obama or McCain could.But that's my opinion.And I live in Tennessee, Hillary has it locked up here. Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 So when are you going to close the contest Ben? Link to post Share on other sites
BenSavage 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 So when are you going to close the contest Ben?When the first poll closes at 7pm ET in Georgia. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 He's made major strides in California thanks to the support of Kennedy, and then more recently Shriver. He's closed the gap significantly.I know that he's closed the gap significantly but that state is still most likely going to hillary. It is great for Obama that he has closed the gap since he'll gain a significant amount of delegates. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 When the first poll closes at 7pm ET in Georgia.I believe it should be closed 4 hours ago... imo... exit polls are gonna let anyone know who wins each state... etc. Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I believe it should be closed 4 hours ago... imo... exit polls are gonna let anyone know who wins each state... etc. Link to post Share on other sites
BenSavage 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 I believe it should be closed 4 hours ago... imo... exit polls are gonna let anyone know who wins each state... etc.Ok then, closed now. GLHere's my picks, if anyone beats me then 2nd and 3rd payout as well. ($25 & $10)Obama 13AlabamaAlaskaCaliforniaColoradoConnecticutGeorgiaIdahoIllinoisKansasMinnesotaMissouri North Dakota UtahClinton 9ArizonaArkansasDelawareMassachusettsNew Jersey New MexicoNew YorkOklahomaTennessee Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hilary's experience - I was struck this morning while watching Today show, how if everyone thinks that Hilary has the experience required to be pres due to her being married to Bill, then a better candidate could be said to be -Andrea Mitchel- she's married to Alan Greenspan, so certainly understands macro/micro economics as well as anyone- has been a reporter for 30 years or so, covering all kinds of international issues, interviewing all the great, important foreign leaders, thus carrying plenty of foreign policy experience- better looking than HilaryJ Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Thanks for the responses guys. it makes it easier than looking up information on google or where ever that is bound to be biased neways. I'm just pretty set that I want a Demi in office this time around. I can't stand some of the actions bush has taken and i've always had more of a liberial approach even tho I am christian. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 So farObamaGeorgia, Illinois, Delaware, Alabama ClintonOklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey so9/10 correct so far for me.Anyone on 10? Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Hilary's experience - I was struck this morning while watching Today show, how if everyone thinks that Hilary has the experience required to be pres due to her being married to Bill, then a better candidate could be said to be -Andrea Mitchel- she's married to Alan Greenspan, so certainly understands macro/micro economics as well as anyone- has been a reporter for 30 years or so, covering all kinds of international issues, interviewing all the great, important foreign leaders, thus carrying plenty of foreign policy experience- better looking than HilaryJShe (Hilldog) has been in politics way before she was the First Lady. I love how people, not you personally, think that her only experience is being a wife of a President. Hell the woman worked for Nixon! A simple search finds a lot more info then, she was a Presidents bitch.GO OBAMA Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 So farObamaGeorgia, Illinois, Delaware, Alabama ClintonOklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey so9/10 correct so far for me.Anyone on 10?according to your results, Im 6/10 Link to post Share on other sites
BenSavage 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Alabama- ObamaAlaska- ObamaArizona- ClintonArkansas- ClintonCalifornia- ObamaColorado- ObamaConnecticut- ObamaDelaware-ObamaGeorgia- ObamaIdaho- ObamaIllinois- ObamaKansas- ObamaMassachusetts- ClintonMinnesota- ObamaMissouri- Clinton New Jersey- ClintonNew Mexico- ObamaNew York- ClintonNorth Dakota- ObamaOklahoma- ClintonTennessee- ClintonUtah- ObamaObama with 14 Clinton 8The only one batting 1.000 so far. Craziness is going to have to happen for you to lose my friend. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Getting it from herehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7229587.stmUpdateObamaGeorgia, Illinois, Delaware, Alabama , Utah, North DakotaClintonOklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey 10/12 They are only projections so it could change (maybe). Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 But since Ben is so awesome everyone who participated gets a stake in a 4.40! Congrats to albert and thanks for playing!sw Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 She (Hilldog) has been in politics way before she was the First Lady. I love how people, not you personally, think that her only experience is being a wife of a President. Hell the woman worked for Nixon! A simple search finds a lot more info then, she was a Presidents bitch.GO OBAMAno offense taken..a simple google search of "hillary experience" turns up a full first page decrying her experience as anything good..the one that seemed most professional, I have quoted a portion of here - Those are the meaningful distinctions in the Democratic field, not Mrs. Clinton’s spurious claim to “35 years of experience.” The Democrats with the greatest Washington expertise — Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson — have already been driven from the race. And the presidential candidate left standing with the greatest experience by far is Mr. McCain; if Mrs. Clinton believes that’s the criterion for selecting the next president, she might consider backing him.To put it another way, think which politician is most experienced today in the classic sense, and thus — according to the “experience” camp — best qualified to become the next president.That’s Dick Cheney. And I rest my case.You are invited to comment on this column at Mr. Kristof’s blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 no offense taken..a simple google search of "hillary experience" turns up a full first page decrying her experience as anything good..the one that seemed most professional, I have quoted a portion of here - Those are the meaningful distinctions in the Democratic field, not Mrs. Clinton’s spurious claim to “35 years of experience.” The Democrats with the greatest Washington expertise — Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson — have already been driven from the race. And the presidential candidate left standing with the greatest experience by far is Mr. McCain; if Mrs. Clinton believes that’s the criterion for selecting the next president, she might consider backing him.To put it another way, think which politician is most experienced today in the classic sense, and thus — according to the “experience” camp — best qualified to become the next president.That’s Dick Cheney. And I rest my case.You are invited to comment on this column at Mr. Kristof’s blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground.good pointheh /cheney voice Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Getting it from herehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7229587.stmUpdateObamaGeorgia, Illinois, Delaware, Alabama , Utah, North DakotaClintonOklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey 10/12 They are only projections so it could change (maybe).if thats the case. I have DE wrong, that is it.I did NOT see DE going to Obama. I am still hoping Obama will pull off the comeback in CAOh, and as for MN. I will be SHOCKED!!! if Obama wins there. My politician buddy at the UofM (big Obama fan) says things are looking bleak for him in MN Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I have two wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 UpdateObamaGeorgia, Illinois, Delaware, Alabama , Utah, North Dakota, Kansas, ConneticutClintonOklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey 10/14gg. Link to post Share on other sites
BenSavage 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 if thats the case. I have DE wrong, that is it.I did NOT see DE going to Obama. I am still hoping Obama will pull off the comeback in CAOh, and as for MN. I will be SHOCKED!!! if Obama wins there. My politician buddy at the UofM (big Obama fan) says things are looking bleak for him in MNYes you are. Some have already called MN, so far 64% Obama, 34% Hillary. Connecticut is a good win for Obama tonight, NJ and Mass are good holds for Hillary.The most interesting stat is that Obama is looking to pull 40% of the vote in New York, that could be a bellwether for California being really close. If Obama can win that, it will be fun to watch the Clinton spin machine work. Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 wtg google!!!http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=...rm=decision2008 Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Just listened to Hilarys speech and she really annoyed me.I like Bill but I really don't want to see her in t he Whitehouse. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Yes you are. Some have already called MN, so far 64% Obama, 34% Hillary. Connecticut is a good win for Obama tonight, NJ and Mass are good holds for Hillary.The most interesting stat is that Obama is looking to pull 40% of the vote in New York, that could be a bellwether for California being really close. If Obama can win that, it will be fun to watch the Clinton spin machine work.shows what kind of politics students they have in MN. blehgogoogoooo cali Link to post Share on other sites
BenSavage 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 shows what kind of politics students they have in MN. blehgogoogoooo caliI'd say the delegates are going to be split 800 to Obama and 800 to Clinton, but California is crucial for momentum. It's been 40 years since California has even mattered at all. Link to post Share on other sites
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