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PokerStars Game #14532003438: Tournament #72821354, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2008/01/13 - 14:40:36 (ET)Table '72821354 2' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: KidPoker (5460 in chips) Seat 2: RockAClock (4410 in chips) Seat 3: Tulkaz (5385 in chips) Seat 4: JohnSmiley1 (5810 in chips) Seat 5: THE__D__RY (4185 in chips) Seat 6: Sir_winalot9 (4835 in chips) Seat 7: johnnykran (4110 in chips) Seat 8: zangbezan24 (5035 in chips) Seat 9: -db- (4160 in chips) Seat 10: AJKHoosier1 (6610 in chips) KidPoker: posts the ante 10RockAClock: posts the ante 10Tulkaz: posts the ante 10JohnSmiley1: posts the ante 10THE__D__RY: posts the ante 10Sir_winalot9: posts the ante 10johnnykran: posts the ante 10zangbezan24: posts the ante 10-db-: posts the ante 10AJKHoosier1: posts the ante 10KidPoker: posts small blind 25RockAClock: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Tulkaz: folds JohnSmiley1: folds THE__D__RY: folds Sir_winalot9: folds johnnykran: folds JohnSmiley1 said, "yeah think so"JohnSmiley1 said, "prob play the main"zangbezan24: folds JohnSmiley1 said, "and maybe couple prelims"-db-: raises 100 to 150AJKHoosier1: folds JohnSmiley1 said, "cool"KidPoker: raises 400 to 550RockAClock: folds -db-: raises 3600 to 4150 and is all-inKidPoker: calls 3600*** FLOP *** [4h As Ac]*** TURN *** [4h As Ac] [Ad]*** RIVER *** [4h As Ac Ad] [7h]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Th Td] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)-db-: shows [Qc Qs] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)Tulkaz said, "evening mr. rain :club:"-db- collected 8450 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 8450 | Rake 0 Board [4h As Ac Ad 7h]Seat 1: KidPoker (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with a full house, Aces full of TensSeat 2: RockAClock (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: Tulkaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: JohnSmiley1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Sir_winalot9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: johnnykran folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: zangbezan24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: -db- showed [Qc Qs] and won (8450) with a full house, Aces full of QueensSeat 10: AJKHoosier1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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i hate hate hate that call by Daniel.This structure is ridiculously good and long.For someone that plays so well postflop and likes to play small ball I cant see putting in the majority of your stack at best case a coin flip and most likely 4:1 dogI'm curious what you put him on there?

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PokerStars Game #14532707395: Tournament #72821354, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2008/01/13 - 15:09:40 (ET)Table '72821354 2' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: KidPoker (3190 in chips) Seat 2: RockAClock (4560 in chips) Seat 3: Tulkaz (7630 in chips) Seat 4: JohnSmiley1 (2405 in chips) Seat 5: THE__D__RY (2585 in chips) Seat 6: Sir_winalot9 (4185 in chips) is sitting outSeat 7: johnnykran (5195 in chips) Seat 8: zangbezan24 (5605 in chips) Seat 9: -db- (10560 in chips) Seat 10: AJKHoosier1 (4085 in chips) KidPoker: posts the ante 10RockAClock: posts the ante 10Tulkaz: posts the ante 10JohnSmiley1: posts the ante 10THE__D__RY: posts the ante 10Sir_winalot9: posts the ante 10johnnykran: posts the ante 10zangbezan24: posts the ante 10-db-: posts the ante 10AJKHoosier1: posts the ante 10KidPoker: posts small blind 25RockAClock: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Tulkaz: folds JohnSmiley1: folds THE__D__RY: folds Sir_winalot9: folds johnnykran: folds zangbezan24: folds -db-: folds AJKHoosier1: raises 100 to 150KidPoker: calls 125RockAClock: folds *** FLOP *** [Kh 7s 4c]KidPoker: checks AJKHoosier1: bets 275KidPoker: raises 375 to 650AJKHoosier1: calls 375*** TURN *** [Kh 7s 4c] [6c]Sir_winalot9 has returnedKidPoker: bets 2380 and is all-inAJKHoosier1: calls 2380*** RIVER *** [Kh 7s 4c 6c] [Jh]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [7d 6d] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)AJKHoosier1: shows [Kc Ts] (a pair of Kings)AJKHoosier1 said, "vomit"KidPoker collected 6510 from potKidPoker said, "lol"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6510 | Rake 0 Board [Kh 7s 4c 6c Jh]Seat 1: KidPoker (small blind) showed [7d 6d] and won (6510) with two pair, Sevens and SixesSeat 2: RockAClock (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: Tulkaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: JohnSmiley1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Sir_winalot9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: johnnykran folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: zangbezan24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: -db- folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: AJKHoosier1 (button) showed [Kc Ts] and lost with a pair of KingsWheeeeeeeeeee

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He doubled up and won some other pots previous to this to get back to a above average stack. I thought he had a set of 4's probably on the 76dd hand, shows why I'm a donkey probably.

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I dono about that play either. He calls another raise OOP with a suited connector... commits about 1/3 his stack with mid pair. would have probably pushed regardless of what the turn was... and even if u werent going to push... any card that doenst improve you and you're back to working with a smallish stack. I know you like seeing flops.. but it seems like you can get into way too much trouble... aka here..

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This is a winner take all format and I already put in over 10% of my stack. His range includes several hands I have crushed, and also AK AQ type hands. That, plus the call doesn't bust me. He had QQ, but that wasn't the favorite to be true, and I was getting a price. Things change when it pays only one spot. People play differently, gambling more, etc.

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This is a winner take all format and I already put in over 10% of my stack. His range includes several hands I have crushed, and also AK AQ type hands. That, plus the call doesn't bust me. He had QQ, but that wasn't the favorite to be true, and I was getting a price. Things change when it pays only one spot. People play differently, gambling more, etc.
You only had 450 in and called 3600 more. I understand the winner takes all thinking, but its 25/50 blinds 60 minute levels and you are a huge favorite against the majority of these players playing smaller pots or outplaying them post flop. There is always a chance your are flipping against AQ/AK or he is making a resteal with a lower pair, but I just didnt like the risk versus rewards so early in the tourny. Everyone has an opinion I guess, not saying you have to agree with mine.You made a good comeback, keep it up.
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Rofl...waveball [observer]: danielwaveball [observer]: I have a problemDealer: -db-, it's your turn. You have 15 seconds to actwaveball [observer]: one of my dumb friends registared my for the 10k head up eventAJKHoosier1: gg glAll_in_at420 [observer]: JACKAll_in_at420 [observer]: IMMEDAll_in_at420 [observer]: knaveDealer: AJKHoosier1 has a full house, Jacks full of FivesDealer: RockAClock has two pair, Kings and FivesAll_in_at420 [observer]: OKAll_in_at420 [observer]: soDealer: Game #14534272209: AJKHoosier1 wins pot (4370) with a full house, Jacks full of FivesAll_in_at420 [observer]: the new sayingwaveball [observer]: That ismy whole role and want to unregitarAll_in_at420 [observer]: when u need a jackAll_in_at420 [observer]: is knaveKidPoker: are there 4 people in it? sounds like you are out of luckAll_in_at420 [observer]: and then it comesAll_in_at420 [observer]: yw AJKAJKHoosier1: ty stoutAdministrator: Sunday Million [$215] NL Hold'em tourney starts in 15 minutes. To register see T72644820 under the Tourney/Special tab.KidPoker: I think your friend is at fault thereJJ > KK on the river.And that guy in the 10k HU showdown with all his roll...Edit - Appears the guy is unreged.

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This is a winner take all format and I already put in over 10% of my stack. His range includes several hands I have crushed, and also AK AQ type hands. That, plus the call doesn't bust me. He had QQ, but that wasn't the favorite to be true, and I was getting a price. Things change when it pays only one spot. People play differently, gambling more, etc.
If you play to win every tournament you enter should the payout structure matter??
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If you play to win every tournament you enter should the payout structure matter??
Even if it doesn't affect you, it affects your opponents. I think that is what he saying that other players don't have to have a huge hand everytime because THEY are more willing to gambool.
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umm... where can I find the podcast/radio show that DN and Barry are talking about.. something about David Pham and Kathy Liebert.Though, I'm more interested in Pham's opinion on the math of poker.EDIT: lol as i post they say pokerroad, I figured it'd be there anyways.

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PokerStars Game #14536327799: Tournament #72821354, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (100/200) - 2008/01/13 - 17:40:04 (ET)Table '72821354 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: Apathy123 (15168 in chips) Seat 2: KidPoker (7525 in chips) Seat 3: Tulkaz (19575 in chips) Seat 5: mrrain (3345 in chips) Seat 6: barryg1 (21695 in chips) Seat 7: zangbezan24 (6996 in chips) Seat 8: BillieD (10552 in chips) Seat 9: johnnykran (5410 in chips) Seat 10: -db- (9734 in chips) Apathy123: posts the ante 40KidPoker: posts the ante 40Tulkaz: posts the ante 40mrrain: posts the ante 40barryg1: posts the ante 40zangbezan24: posts the ante 40BillieD: posts the ante 40johnnykran: posts the ante 40-db-: posts the ante 40Apathy123: posts small blind 100KidPoker: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Apathy123 said, "haha"Tulkaz: folds mrrain: folds barryg1: folds zangbezan24: folds BillieD: raises 400 to 600johnnykran: folds -db-: folds Apathy123 said, "no way he dresses that good"Apathy123: folds KidPoker: calls 400*** FLOP *** [As Qs 7d]KidPoker: checks BillieD: bets 1000KidPoker: raises 5885 to 6885 and is all-inBillieD: calls 5885*** TURN *** [As Qs 7d] [9d]*** RIVER *** [As Qs 7d 9d] [8d]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Tc Ad] (a pair of Aces)BillieD: shows [Ks Js] (high card Ace)KidPoker collected 15430 from potKidPoker said, "ooh baby"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 15430 | Rake 0 Board [As Qs 7d 9d 8d]Seat 1: Apathy123 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: KidPoker (big blind) showed [Tc Ad] and won (15430) with a pair of AcesSeat 3: Tulkaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: mrrain folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: barryg1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: zangbezan24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: BillieD showed [Ks Js] and lost with high card AceSeat 9: johnnykran folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: -db- (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Whoo

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Even if it doesn't affect you, it affects your opponents. I think that is what he saying that other players don't have to have a huge hand everytime because THEY are more willing to gambool.
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PUKEEEEEEEEEApathy123: raises 500 to 800KidPoker: folds Tulkaz: calls 800mrrain: folds barryg1: folds zangbezan24: raises 2080 to 2880-db-: folds Apathy123: raises 11248 to 14128 and is all-inTulkaz: folds zangbezan24: calls 4806 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [7h Ts 4h]Tulkaz said, "urg"Tulkaz said, ":club:"*** TURN *** [7h Ts 4h] [Jh]*** RIVER *** [7h Ts 4h Jh] [Kh]*** SHOW DOWN ***zangbezan24: shows [As Kd] (a pair of Kings)Apathy123: shows [Qh Ac] (a flush, King high)Tulkaz said, "PHEW"Tulkaz said, ":D"Apathy123 collected 16892 from potApathy123 said, "easy game"

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This is a winner take all format and I already put in over 10% of my stack. His range includes several hands I have crushed, and also AK AQ type hands. That, plus the call doesn't bust me. He had QQ, but that wasn't the favorite to be true, and I was getting a price. Things change when it pays only one spot. People play differently, gambling more, etc.
I think they chopped it last week. If thats the case that may skew their thinking to some degree and they may not be willing to gamble as much as if there was no option to chop.
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GG DN...PokerStars Game #14537420578: Tournament #72821354, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (150/300) - 2008/01/13 - 18:26:13 (ET)Table '72821354 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Apathy123 (41659 in chips) Seat 2: KidPoker (7175 in chips) Seat 3: Tulkaz (18955 in chips) Seat 6: barryg1 (20418 in chips) Seat 10: -db- (11793 in chips) Apathy123: posts the ante 60KidPoker: posts the ante 60Tulkaz: posts the ante 60barryg1: posts the ante 60-db-: posts the ante 60Tulkaz: posts small blind 150barryg1: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***-db-: folds Apathy123: folds barryg1 said, "joker on the river"KidPoker: raises 600 to 900Tulkaz: folds barryg1: raises 6300 to 7200KidPoker: calls 6215 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [Jh 9d Qd]*** TURN *** [Jh 9d Qd] [Ah]KidPoker said, "gg"*** RIVER *** [Jh 9d Qd Ah] [8d]*** SHOW DOWN ***barryg1: shows [Qc Kc] (a pair of Queens)KidPoker: shows [5h 5c] (a pair of Fives)barryg1 said, "gg"Tulkaz said, "gg"Apathy123 said, "gg"barryg1 collected 14680 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 14680 | Rake 0 Board [Jh 9d Qd Ah 8d]Seat 1: Apathy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: KidPoker (button) showed [5h 5c] and lost with a pair of FivesSeat 3: Tulkaz (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: barryg1 (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and won (14680) with a pair of QueensSeat 10: -db- folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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what did you have here Daniel?*** RIVER *** [4s Th Ts As] [9s]KidPoker: checks barryg1: bets 5100KidPoker said, "oh no im dead"KidPoker said, "A-10 for Barry me pay off loll"KidPoker: calls 5100*** SHOW DOWN ***barryg1: shows [9c Td] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)KidPoker: mucks hand barryg1 collected 17850 from pot

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what did you have here Daniel?*** RIVER *** [4s Th Ts As] [9s]KidPoker: checks barryg1: bets 5100KidPoker said, "oh no im dead"KidPoker said, "A-10 for Barry me pay off loll"KidPoker: calls 5100*** SHOW DOWN ***barryg1: shows [9c Td] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)KidPoker: mucks hand barryg1 collected 17850 from pot
You mean I can't PM you to find out?
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What an insanely sick callPokerStars Game #14537473710: Tournament #72821354, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (150/300) - 2008/01/13 - 18:28:30 (ET)Table '72821354 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: Apathy123 (41179 in chips) Seat 3: Tulkaz (16975 in chips) Seat 6: barryg1 (30683 in chips) Seat 10: -db- (11163 in chips) Apathy123: posts the ante 60Tulkaz: posts the ante 60barryg1: posts the ante 60-db-: posts the ante 60Apathy123: posts small blind 150Tulkaz: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***barryg1: folds -db-: folds Apathy123: calls 150Tulkaz: checks *** FLOP *** [9d Kd Ts]Apathy123: bets 550Tulkaz: calls 550*** TURN *** [9d Kd Ts] [4c]Apathy123: checks Tulkaz: bets 1075Apathy123: raises 3475 to 4550Tulkaz: calls 3475*** RIVER *** [9d Kd Ts 4c] [3d]Apathy123: bets 11700Tulkaz said, "hmm"Tulkaz said, "I really do think I have you.."Tulkaz said, "its a sick bet.."Tulkaz said, ":club:"Tulkaz said, "I think I gotta follow my gut.."Tulkaz: calls 11515 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***Apathy123: shows [8s 7d] (high card King)Tulkaz: shows [Tc Jh] (a pair of Tens)Tulkaz collected 34070 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 34070 | Rake 0 Board [9d Kd Ts 4c 3d]Seat 1: Apathy123 (small blind) showed [8s 7d] and lost with high card KingSeat 3: Tulkaz (big blind) showed [Tc Jh] and won (34070) with a pair of TensSeat 6: barryg1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: -db- (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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what did you have here Daniel?*** RIVER *** [4s Th Ts As] [9s]KidPoker: checks barryg1: bets 5100KidPoker said, "oh no im dead"KidPoker said, "A-10 for Barry me pay off loll"KidPoker: calls 5100*** SHOW DOWN ***barryg1: shows [9c Td] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)KidPoker: mucks hand barryg1 collected 17850 from pot
I think he said in the chat he had the Queen of spades
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