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I went to Los Angeles to visit a buddy from college last weekend. Stayed about 5 days. Spent the last 20 hours at the Commerce. Not a bad place....huge card room with very comfy seats. A bit cramped though at times. I was amazed at how clean and smooth the poker chips were. So much better than some places (cough Taj cough).I had been partying/gambling on NFL playoffs for a few straight days so I decided just to sit at the 3/5 NL game (max buy-in $200). First thing I notice is that everyone is playing a lot of money behind. I was in seat 5. Seat 1 had just over 1K. Seat 3 and 4 each had between 600-700 bucks. Seat 7 and 8 also had at least 500. Others had 200 or so like me. Not bad potential in my mind.About three orbits in, I pick up JJ, UTG. I make it 15. Folds around to BB on my right. Total donk. He raises to 60. I think for a second and go all-in for 185. He insta calls with AQ sooted. First hand I played, no respect lol. Flop has an ace and a queen and I am all but dead.'Reload.Pick Up AK suited spades in MP. Two limpers to me, I make it 25. Button calls others fold. Flop is QJ6 with two clubs. I bet 35 he calls. Turn is the 10 of clubs. Good but scary. I lead for 60 and he just calls again. River is a red 3. I check intending to make a crying call if he bets. He thinks long and hard and then checks. Stupid! I let two pair off the hook I think but dont know for sure....he mucked when he saw broadway. Up to about 320.Few minutes later it gets wacky. I am in the button and look down at QQ. Seat 1 in EP (with 1100 behind) open raises to 20. Seats 2,3, and 4 all call. Wow. I honestly have no idea what to do here so I chicken out and be safe and just call. SB folds, BB calls. Good decision (results wise) by me! Flop is:Q99. Boo yah.Original raiser bets out 75. Perfect. Donk to my right calls. I call, others all fold. Turn is a complete brick. Original raiser checks. Donk bets 175 about half his stack at the time. I am pretty sure he has 9x. Original raiser probably AA or KK or complete air. Either way he seems competent and will probably fold no matter what I do. I raise all-in like 50 more. Original raiser sighs and folds. Donkey calls. River is another low blank. Donk shows 109 suited proudly. I show the boat. In fairness, he barely blinked and said nice hand. Seemed like a nice rich fellow. Up to approx. 800. Lose 130 to a short stack aipf (QQ<KK rigged obv). Spew a bit more. Then with about 575 in front I get involved in a big hand with big stack in seat 1 who now has about 1200 bucks in front of him.I am in the SB. Seat 1 is in LP. One limper to him, he raises to 25. Folds to me, I call with 9c7c. Original limper also calls. Flop is: A68 rainbow one club.Check, check, big stack only bets 40. Hmmm. I call. Other guy mucks. Turn = A683c. Now I have the flush draw too. I check, he bets 100. He seems confident to the point that I think I can get implied value if I hit. I call.River is a beautiful red 10. Now I would love comments on this part. I almost checked since the 10 probably wouldnt scare him much since I had been playing pretty tight all day only showing quality hands. Then, (maybe mistakenly), I decided to bet since maybe he would read it as a poor bluff and raise me. Maybe he even had a set of aces!I bet out 180. He thinks for about 20 seconds and then calls and shows AK. I cant be sure he value bets again with AK....who knows if I would have gotten more there. Whatever, no dwelling. upto around 950 bucks. I had gotten to Commerce around 11pm, now it is about 4am. Two more hours pass without much to report. So card dead. Lost about 75 bucks in that time. Went and found my friends and we went to get breakfast.To be continued.......in Part II----Cane plays a rebuy tournament and then more NLHE cash games.

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Nice read....and nice session.It looks like my job will be relocating me to the LA area this year. The only thing I am looking forward to is the poker rooms there.Sounds a little crazy. 3/5 NL.... max buy-in only $200? Oh well.....when in Rome.....Time to have some fun.

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Nice read....and nice session.It looks like my job will be relocating me to the LA area this year. The only thing I am looking forward to is the poker rooms there.Sounds a little crazy. 3/5 NL.... max buy-in only $200? Oh well.....when in Rome.....Time to have some fun.
go on......?
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Man.....Either I am really old or you people need to get out more.The saying goes: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
its a quote from anchorman.that silly silly ron burgandy
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Few minutes later it gets wacky.
Welcome to the commerce.
I cant be sure he value bets again with AK....who knows if I would have gotten more there. Whatever, no dwelling.
You probably got near max. Even if he v-bets TPTK he's not likely calling a big river c/r.
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the $200 buy in is very common around Los Angeles
actually the 5/10 structure w/ $200 buy-in is unique to commerce. BTW, IT IS DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR THE MOST PROFITABLE GAME IN THE WORLD. i do not make that sentence lightly. a lot of people make their living in that commerce game (as much as 8K a month consistently)
Bike has a $5/$5 ($500-NO MAX)
slightly incorrect. the 5/5 game at the bike is 300-500. the 5/10 game at the bike is 1K-NO MAX. the bike's 5/10 game is dollar-for-dollar more profitable than the 5/5 game, but just because play is always deeper.
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I believe commerce is:1/2 - 402/3 - 1003/5 - 2005/10 - 400
you're right, i messed that up. truth be told, i haven't played at commerce in over a year and a half. the 5/10 might be 300, but i'm just whistling dixie out of my ass.
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How does a guy learn to play deep stacked in CA? All the smaller games are stupidly short buy-ins. Yeah, a good player obviously builds a stack sometimes, but not all of his opponents do. Then he graduates to the 5/10, buys in deep, and nothing he knows is right anymore.Does anyone have a hypothesis of a cultural reason for short buy-ins?

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actually the 5/10 structure w/ $200 buy-in is unique to commerce. BTW, IT IS DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR THE MOST PROFITABLE GAME IN THE WORLD. i do not make that sentence lightly. a lot of people make their living in that commerce game (as much as 8K a month consistently)slightly incorrect. the 5/5 game at the bike is 300-500. the 5/10 game at the bike is 1K-NO MAX. the bike's 5/10 game is dollar-for-dollar more profitable than the 5/5 game, but just because play is always deeper.
wish you guys had told me about the Bike earlier. Commerce game was hilariously soft and very deep stacked for a 200 max buy in game. I could definitely see a couple players at my table making a good living off that game.will post about the rebuy tournament (hilarious couple of hands) and more 3/5 NLHE action (one incredibly sick hand......plus a few good ones)end teaser.
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How does a guy learn to play deep stacked in CA?
The games essentially play like a rebuy tourney. There's a lot of action while stacks are short and you'd be surprised to see how quickly stacks build. Plus at Commerce at least they have a weird rule. At the 100 max table if you bust you can reload up to 150. I assume they do something similar at the bigger games.I think the 2/5 game at Bellagio used to be something like 200 max buy-in for a while so the short buy caps aren't totally exclusive to CA.
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How does a guy learn to play deep stacked in CA? All the smaller games are stupidly short buy-ins. Yeah, a good player obviously builds a stack sometimes, but not all of his opponents do. Then he graduates to the 5/10, buys in deep, and nothing he knows is right anymore.Does anyone have a hypothesis of a cultural reason for short buy-ins?
One of my regular games at Oceans 11 used to run 10-10 with a 1k min, no max. The game has turned into a 600 min-2k max because all of the bad players were going broke and the game was rarely running. The only other public game that plays semi-big in my area is a 10-20 2k min, uncapped buy-in at the Palomar Club.
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The games essentially play like a rebuy tourney. There's a lot of action while stacks are short and you'd be surprised to see how quickly stacks build. Plus at Commerce at least they have a weird rule. At the 100 max table if you bust you can reload up to 150. I assume they do something similar at the bigger games.
Yes, the rebuy is larger than the buyin at Hollywood Park -- and Bike too I believe. The only better buyin for 1/2 I know of is $50 instead of $40 at Hustler. I don't know why they do this; the buyins are stupidly short, I assume somehow this benefits the casino.
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I don't know why they do this; the buyins are stupidly short, I assume somehow this benefits the casino.
I assume it's because the money moves back in forth in coin flip situations instead of moving to the good post flop players and leaving the casino with it. Fools can loose their money slowly and pay a lot of rake.I briefly played 1/2 NL at Chumash with a 50 max. They played it with all white chips. Which seems pretty silly, but the alternative is 10 (or 8) red chips. As soon as a guy sits down, he's in danger of not having enough chips to shuffle them.P.S., I can't shuffle chips anyway.
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About three orbits in, I pick up JJ, UTG. I make it 15. Folds around to BB on my right. Total donk. He raises to 60. I think for a second and go all-in for 185. He insta calls with AQ sooted. First hand I played, no respect lol. Flop has an ace and a queen and I am all but dead.
I know this isnt a strat forum but I hate this play that you made. I know its short stack poker and $60 is about a third of your stack but just calling before the flop gives you so many more options...Nice read, I have never played in the SoCal area.
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