penne 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)don't know much about either villian.BB ($107)UTG ($200)UTG+1 ($199.80)MP1 ($200)MP2 ($197)CO ($229)Hero ($237.85)SB ($163.75)Preflop: Hero is Button with A , J . 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $6.Flop: ($27) 4 , 3 , J (3 players)UTG+1 checks, CO bets $22, Hero raises to $66, UTG+1 raises to $191.8, CO folds, Hero ?how was:1. my play preflop2. my play on the flop3. is the shove an insta-call? Link to post Share on other sites
Omaha Hi/Lo 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I think you can fold. UTG+1 def has a set. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 how was:1. my play preflop2. my play on the flop3. is the shove an insta-call?1. OK2. OK3. I think I call the shove here, because it's highly possible the A gives us extra outs. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Without reading the OP or any replies:It's only an instacall if you can click the "call" button in a very fast manner. Clicking it almost instantaneously as the action is on you would be ideal if you want to know whether or not it's a true instacall. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I think you can fold. UTG+1 def has a set.Or AJOr 34Or 56hhOr a weaker heart drawOr some other handYes, I'd snap call this. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Or AJOr 34Or 56hhOr a weaker heart drawOr some other handYes, I'd snap call this.I see people pushing any J here -- AJ KJ QJ TJ or worse because they think the villain has a FD. Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'd be surprised if UTG didn't have a set of 3s or 4s here.Hmm, I probably call here I guess. I dunno. At best he could have like, two black queens or something.Ugh I'm tired. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I think you can fold. UTG+1 def has a set.Lool. Alright then.Yes, fistpumpinstacall. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I just regular-call. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Inst-bang-on-the-raise-button even though it's disabled in the hope you misread the chipstacks... Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 by lookin at pf action, limp UTG+1, call raise pf, CRAI after a lead and raise on the flop his most likely holding is 33 or 44 but his range for an unknown definitely includes AJ, 56h, other heart draw, 34s so I regular call as well. Link to post Share on other sites
craiger 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'm scared of a set but still probably medium-sta call. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I think you are up against a set far too often for this call to be profitable. I would likely time-out on my decision to let them know i'm making a huge laydown and not to mess with me in the future.Or yank the modem plug. Link to post Share on other sites
StilettoNole 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I never understood this. When guys do this I just laugh at them and talk crap in the chat making fun of them, but that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I would likely time-out on my decision to let them know i'm making a huge laydown and not to mess with me in the future.This does nothing and folding here is badOr yank the modem plug.If you even consider disconnecting, you should be shot. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 You would be calling 125.8 to win 306.8, so you need 41% equity.If you are up against a set you are 31%.I think this is 2 pair/ lower flush draw/ AJ/KJ/QJ enough to call. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This does nothing and folding here is badIf you even consider disconnecting, you should be shot. Seriously.erm.... sw Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 erm.... swIf you were being sarcastic, that's one thing.I was pretty serious about my comment. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 You would be calling 125.8 to win 306.8, so you need 41% equity.If you are up against a set you are 31%.I think this is 2 pair/ lower flush draw/ AJ/KJ/QJ enough to call.you really think 2 pair is likely in a raised pot on a J34 board?and AJ, KJ, QJ etc. is likely to push with such heavy action on the flop?A worse flush draw is definitely a possibility, but a set of 3's or 4's seems most likely. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 you really think 2 pair is likely in a raised pot on a J34 board?and AJ, KJ, QJ etc. is likely to push with such heavy action on the flop?A worse flush draw is definitely a possibility, but a set of 3's or 4's seems most likely.J3 and J4 are highly unlikely but 34s is possible.As for having the Jack, you've never played with people who think top pair is the nuts? Especially if they suspect you are on a draw. Ideally we would have liked to see the villain overvalue hands in the past.I don't have pokerstove on this computer but can someone calculate our equity against 33,44,JJ,34,56h. My guess is were are +ev even without including random Jacks. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Text results appended to pokerstove.txt7,920 games 0.046 secs 172,173 games/secBoard: Jd 4h 3hDead: -------------Equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 35.417% 35.42% 00.00% 2805 0.00 { AhJh }Hand 1: 64.583% 64.58% 00.00% 5115 0.00 { JJ, 44-33, 6h5h, 4h3h }--- Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I just read the HH again and realized the all-in came from the original limper, not original raiser. He could be playing KJ, QJ like this but after a bet and raise, he'd have to be pretty stupid to shove w/o a set with 2 people who have shown some level of interest in the hand to act after. Wouldn't he? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Text results appended to pokerstove.txt7,920 games 0.046 secs 172,173 games/secBoard: Jd 4h 3hDead: -------------Equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 35.417% 35.42% 00.00% 2805 0.00 { AhJh }Hand 1: 64.583% 64.58% 00.00% 5115 0.00 { JJ, 44-33, 6h5h, 4h3h }---you need AJ, KJ, and random heart draws in that range Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 you need AJ, KJ, and random heart draws in that rangewas just running the range as requested. I will add some more tomorrow when I am on that computer again.Also.. I think we can eliminate most random jacks unless we know that UTG+1 is a terrible player willing to push with top pair in the face of such heavy action. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 TP+NFD on the flop. I'd call here. Against the worst possible hand (set), you still have outs and I think that you have to widen villain's range to include some of the other hands that others have posted.I don't think that I could fold this unless I had a perfect read on villain that he had a set.Preflop with a limp and raise, I like a raise to 26 here since the CO could be on a steal. Link to post Share on other sites
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