keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 http://bradlaidman.com/uncategorized/athei...cs-are-pussies/Mathematically, it’s a pretty bad idea not to believe in God. Even if the probability that there is a God is as little as 1%, who wants to play Russian Roulette with eternal happiness vs. eternal torment. Atheists have to be pretty damn arrogant to blow off a free lottery ticket like that just to be able to feel superior about being men of reason. When it comes down to looking inside of souls, there are hundreds of millions more true atheists than the ones who admit to it in public.Of course, these idiots who claim to be agnostics are really pussies. They are atheists, who refuse to give up the free lottery ticket. I doubt there is a God, but if there is “Hell yes I want in!” Take a stand you pussies! I guess I’m an agnostic. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This is new. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i think brad laidman needs to get laid man. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 i think brad laidman needs to get laid man.Definitely never heard that joke before Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Definitely never heard that joke before oh, that is you.. and you were serious lol? Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 I knew it wasn't original but it's what I believeBesides whats the downside of stealing from the likes of Pascal - Good material and 99% of the world has no idea who Pascal is - I got to use this college education for something. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 you cant choose to believe in god just in case hes there so you can get into heaven. god would know whats up and send you to hell.also something that no christians seem to be getting; to an atheist, the probability of there being a god as the bible describes is exactly 0%. so there is no risk. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 you cant choose to believe in god just in case hes there so you can get into heaven. god would know whats up and send you to hell.also something that no christians seem to be getting; to an atheist, the probability of there being a god as the bible describes is exactly 0%. so there is no risk. i don't know I'm pretty atheist but I'm not atheist enough to say - It completely impossible that there is a judeo christian type god Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Besides whats the downside of stealing from the likes of Pascalthe downside of stealing it from pascal is that he was brain-damaged (literally) when he came up with it, and that even by the lax standards of religious philosophy it's obvious nonsense. read the criticisms in the article. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i don't know I'm pretty atheist but I'm not atheist enough to say - It completely impossible that there is a judeo christian type godwhich one? the muslim/christian/hebrew god all have the same origin, but the things they are supposed to require for salvation are mutually exclusive. this puts pascalians in a bit of a bind. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 I still maintain that all agnostics are scared atheists Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 should also point out that the working definition of atheism is lack of belief based on negative evidence. an atheist does not (necessarily) believe that god cannot exist, he is just someone who bases his practical working conclusions on evidence instead of faith.in other words atheists are the exact opposite of arrogant. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I still maintain that all agnostics are scared atheiststechnically agnosticism is the belief that knowledge (the certainty of god's existence in this case) is fundamentally unknowable. really everybody here is an agnostic to some extent. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 ok nothings funny once you bring out Black's Law Dictionary Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not only does this thread offend people but the OP is badly misinformed, what a combination. How on earth can you say, and I quote "all agnostics are scared atheists". Have you met every agnostic person and extensively asked them questions about their faith? Didn't think so, please quit jumping to conclusions before throwing out your blanket statements or people might start to think you're arrogant. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 ok nothings funny once you bring out Black's Law Dictionarywasn't funny anyway Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 there are hundreds of millions more true atheists than the ones who admit to it in public.this statement at least is very true (talking about the christian god in the US). Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not only does this thread offend people but the OP is badly misinformed, what a combination. How on earth can you say, and I quote "all agnostics are scared atheists". Have you met every agnostic person and extensively asked them questions about their faith? Didn't think so, please quit jumping to conclusions before throwing out your blanket statements or people might start to think you're arrogant.I feel that I have met a large enough sample of agnostics to generalize maliciously for humorous effect my confidence interval is 98% Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I feel that I have met a large enough sample of agnostics to generalize maliciously for humorous effect my confidence interval is 98%im a psychology major so I have to do a lot of statistics so yes just like you, I know what a confidence interval is. You still are wrong, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 im a psychology major so I have to do a lot of statistics so yes just like you, I know what a confidence interval is. You still are wrong, that's all.I was mocking people's perception of religious definitions not anyone with hard core educated beliefs either wayI don't see anything to be offended about Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I was mocking people's perception of religious definitions not anyone with hard core educated beliefs either wayI don't see anything to be offended aboutbut you said stuff that meant things about people and stuff! I don't like it! Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If you read the wiki page, you see that there is a problem with Pascal's Wager; mainly that there is no reason to believe that, if there is a God, that he/she prefers mindless obedience and worship over rational thought based on physical evidence. Which is more likely for god:1) I am extremely powerful, and want people to believe in me and worship me, even though I can smote them with a single thought, and have never provided them any solid evidence of my existence; therefore I will punish anyone who doesn't believe,or2) I am extremely powerful and enjoy order and rationality; therefore I will rig the world so that it is difficult to believe in me and punish those who continue to believe in the irrational.The answer is: neither is more likely, so Pascal's Wager fails.PS - I independently invented Pascal's Wager as a teenager after seeing M. M. O'Hair on TV. Seeing as I led a sheltered life, it's unlikely I heard it and just forgot where. So there. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 technically agnosticism is the belief that knowledge (the certainty of god's existence in this case) is fundamentally unknowable. really everybody here is an agnostic to some extent.I think there are different 'levels' of agnosticism. One 'level' is the belief that you describe above. A second (and one that falls more in line with my own belief) is that perhaps, just maybe, it is possible to know, but that I personally don't. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 M.M. O'Hair?500 Million Muhammad fans can't be wrong!I knew i shouldn't have ventured into the religion forum Link to post Share on other sites
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