Primadonna 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 from time to time I go up to 5/10 and play a few hands on Fri/Sat nights. I dont do this often, but I do it with success... At any rate -- tonight this hand came up. This is why I rarely play out of my BR. Party PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $5/$106 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Worrrst is UTG+1 with Q Q UTG folds, Worrrst raises to $40, CO raises to $122, 2 folds, Worrrst calls.Flop: T 8 3 ($259, 3 players)Worrrst checks, CO bets $166, Worrrst raises to $400, CO raises all-in $1070, Worrrst ???No reads. Easy shove even with 1/3 of your bankroll on the table?"The radical reconstruction of the South after the Civil War was neither radical nor a reconstruction. Discuss." Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 How big is your stack? Link to post Share on other sites
Primadonna 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 How big is your stack?i have 1237He has 1275 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You beat JJ, AcKc, random bluff/stupid move with worse hand?Dunno, I hate the T on board. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 from what I hear partypoker is pretty aggro postflop so stacking off here isn't bad.I know that in those games, stacking QQ pf is for sure standard. your only other option is to c/c and eval turn Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You're getting almost 2.5 : 1 from the pot. You break even at 29%. If you think he'll play JJ this way, then a call is worth $2489*0.36-$715=$181 in expectation. Board: Td 8c 3cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 36.072% 34.00% 02.08% 7741 472.50 { QcQh }Hand 1: 63.928% 61.85% 02.08% 14084 472.50 { TT+, AcKc } Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Does anyone not like the c/r to the player that 3-bet preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 These hands go either way depending a lot on reads.With that said, here's the best advice I can give you:Don't sit at the table when the buy-in is 1/3 of your bankroll.I wouldn't even classify this as taking a shot, because it's absurd. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Easy shove even with 1/3 of your bankroll on the table?"The radical reconstruction of the South after the Civil War was neither radical nor a reconstruction. Discuss."LOL ... no, not even close to being easy. Don't go broke with queens in your hand.What's this about the south ?? Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 from time to time I go up to 5/10 and play a few hands on Fri/Sat nights. I dont do this often, but I do it with success... At any rate -- tonight this hand came up. This is why I rarely play out of my BR. Party PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $5/$106 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Worrrst is UTG+1 with Q Q UTG folds, Worrrst raises to $40, CO raises to $122, 2 folds, Worrrst calls.Flop: T 8 3 ($259, 3 players)Worrrst checks, CO bets $166, Worrrst raises to $400, CO raises all-in $1070, Worrrst ???No reads. Easy shove even with 1/3 of your bankroll on the table?"The radical reconstruction of the South after the Civil War was neither radical nor a reconstruction. Discuss."i think you fold with 1/3 of you bankroll on the table just because it limits his hand range....but lets say it 1/4-1/5 of your bankroll it opens up his range and your able to shove Link to post Share on other sites
ah2388 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 i really think you should stop taking shots Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 LOL ... no, not even close to being easy. Don't go broke with queens in your hand.What's this about the south ??sound advice Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 i think you fold with 1/3 of you bankroll on the table just because it limits his hand range....but lets say it 1/4-1/5 of your bankroll it opens up his range and your able to shoveI'm curious how you think this makes any sense...Villain doesn't know Hero is taking a shot, I have no idea how what percentage of Hero's bankroll being on the table could possibly affect the Villain's range. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 this seems like a pretty standard fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm curious how you think this makes any sense...Villain doesn't know Hero is taking a shot, I have no idea how what percentage of Hero's bankroll being on the table could possibly affect the Villain's range.he just likes posting. havent you noticed that yet? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 he just likes posting. havent you noticed that yet?Doesn't mean I can't ridicule his awful advice. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Doesn't mean I can't ridicule his awful advice. speaking of awfula bunch of 2+2 er's were at venetian today playing 1/2NL.. the entire time they were at the table next to mine, they were going on about how they play for thousands online and blah blah.. saying things like. I'll lose 2k without caring, yet they were all playing 1/2 with short stacks.reminded me of our nutbar session, but FCP does it right, we turn a 2/4 horse game into a 10/20 game with flipaments. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 loooool2p2 is solid, but like, there's so many of them, they're bound to have more retards who get together and claim to rep 2p2, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm curious how you think this makes any sense...8:1 it's sarcasm. Link to post Share on other sites
Primadonna 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 LOL ... no, not even close to being easy. Don't go broke with queens in your hand.What's this about the south ??It was a quote from an old SNL skit "Coffee Talk"...i didn't post this to get advice not to talk shots, though i guess i knew it would inevitably come up. Link to post Share on other sites
Primadonna 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 You're getting almost 2.5 : 1 from the pot. You break even at 29%. If you think he'll play JJ this way, then a call is worth $2489*0.36-$715=$181 in expectation. Board: Td 8c 3cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 36.072% 34.00% 02.08% 7741 472.50 { QcQh }Hand 1: 63.928% 61.85% 02.08% 14084 472.50 { TT+, AcKc } I left out that he was a LAG on purpose... I'd seen him 3-bet preflop 5 out of 7 hands. I saw him bluff a river and show A high on a J J K 9 3 board. Small sample obv but i think it's worth considering nontheless. I dont think we can rule out smaller pocket pairs and A10, K10 J10 given his aggression. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I left out that he was a LAG on purpose... I'd seen him 3-bet preflop 5 out of 7 hands. I saw him bluff a river and show A high on a J J K 9 3 board. Small sample obv but i think it's worth considering nontheless. I dont think we can rule out smaller pocket pairs and A10, K10 J10 given his aggression.In that case, calling is a slam dunk. We're a favorite to his range even without smaller pocket pairs.Board: Td 8c 3cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 61.929% 61.12% 00.81% 35700 472.50 { QcQh }Hand 1: 38.071% 37.26% 00.81% 21765 472.50 { TT+, AcKc, ATs, KTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, JTo } Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm curious how you think this makes any sense...Villain doesn't know Hero is taking a shot, I have no idea how what percentage of Hero's bankroll being on the table could possibly affect the Villain's range.It was extreme sarcasm because we were talking on Vent and I told him about this thread.Hero in this hand really needs to learn bankroll management as your bankroll should never influence your decisions or else you'll be playing scared poker. Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm curious how you think this makes any sense...Villain doesn't know Hero is taking a shot, I have no idea how what percentage of Hero's bankroll being on the table could possibly affect the Villain's range.lol @ that getting a serious response Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 lol @ that getting a serious responseOver my head.In case you didn't notice, I wasn't a part of your super cool Vent session, so I probably shouldn't be expected to get inside jokes.Keep that awesome content coming though! Link to post Share on other sites
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