Balloon guy 158 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Say your life is a game of pokerInstead of being dealt two cards, you get to pick two cards, you pick Big SlickNow the flop comes and you go all in.The flop is Q 7 3 all spades. You turn over your cards and you have big slick: A and K :heart:The atheist turns over blig slick as well, but A K :club:When the end comes the pot will be either split, or you will win it all, because you are FREEROLLING<------Free rolling baby Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 K :clubs:You fail at internetsK :club:Your point is therefore invalid.Mwuhahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 The biggest problem with Pascal's Wager (your underlying theory) is that it works on the assumption that believing in God is something you can choose to do.Could you honestly choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 You fail at internetsK :club:Your point is therefore invalid.MwuhahahahaI concede.Funny that Pascal was the computer language I was learning when I dropped out of college to make my fortune in heavy equipment. It's all a circle. Link to post Share on other sites
DoinSublime 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 trying to hang to anything you can there huh?its ok bg, you can let it go.edit - i meant your op, not your response Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 trying to hang to anything you can there huh?its ok bg, you can let it go.edit - i meant your op, not your response lol, I may be beaten, but I'm not defeated<--freerolling Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 the easiest way to dismiss pascal's wager is just to say:for an atheist, the likelihood of his/her choice leading to eternal damnation yields about the same net hardship as spending his/her life inauthentically subscribing to a religious faith also adjusted for "probability."for a religious practitioner, the apparent probabilities are different, so s/he believes.both are fine, since there is no way of knowing the actual probability of there being a true religion AND the likelihood that someone who leads a good, honest life goes to hell unless s/he believes in the right god. but pascal is a douche. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 the easiest way to dismiss pascal's wager is just to say:for an atheist, the likelihood of his/her choice leading to eternal damnation yields about the same net hardship as spending his/her life inauthentically subscribing to a religious faith also adjusted for "probability."for a religious practitioner, the apparent probabilities are different, so s/he believes.both are fine, since there is no way of knowing the actual probability of there being a true religion AND the likelihood that someone who leads a good, honest life goes to hell unless s/he believes in the right god. but pascal is a douche.Dude I can read you like a book here.You are betting strongWhen you realize you cannot push me off my hand, and you cannot win, you will fold.Next Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 the easiest way to dismiss pascal's wager is just to say:for an atheist, the likelihood of his/her choice leading to eternal damnation yields about the same net hardship as spending his/her life inauthentically subscribing to a religious faith also adjusted for "probability."But to touch on this gem, what you are saying is the pot odds of 'living dishonestly' are 1:1 with living with eternal damnation.I'm no math guy but I think your figures are off Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Dude I can read you like a book here.You are betting strongWhen you realize you cannot push me off my hand, and you cannot win, you will fold.Nexti am not playing you, i am playing god, who does not exist for me. so when i raise him, his lack of existence vanishes, and his hand flutters to the table, one of his cards touching the muck. i rake the pot in religious ecstasy.<<<winnar. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 But to touch on this gem, what you are saying is the pot odds of 'living dishonestly' are 1:1 with living with eternal damnation.I'm no math guy but I think your figures are offthe point is that for an atheist, the odds of a religion being true are something like 1/1 billion, and then if that religion is true, the odds that being a good person without believing in god still leads to hell is like another 1/1 billion.for a religious person, the odds are obviously different.but there's no way to really mediate which odds are correct. so everyone should be allowed to estimate the odds for themselves and go from there. if pascal thinks that it's 50/50, he's a douchetard. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 the point is that for an atheist, the odds of a religion being true are something like 1/1 billion, and then if that religion is true, the odds that being a good person without believing in god still leads to hell is like another 1/1 billion.for a religious person, the odds are obviously different.but there's no way to really mediate which odds are correct. so everyone should be allowed to estimate the odds for themselves and go from there. if pascal thinks that it's 50/50, he's a douchetard.Complete douchetard :PBG bets Pascal's wager, I raise a well-adjusted and fulfilled life on earth without any time wasted on worship ;)I just cracked your aces... it's ok... just breath really deep and let them go Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 But surely god can just look at the pocket hole card cams and tell that the only reason you're worshipping him is cause you don't want to go to hell?Oh wait, that's the only reason anyone believes in him anyway... Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 So wait...what if I want to play H.O.R.S.E? Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 According to this game religion and atheism are both dumb as they picked AK over AA. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 what if it turns out that the only god out there hates religious people and send them all to some kind of hell and rewards atheists? theres just as much of a chance and evidence of that being true as the christian god. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 what if it turns out that the only god out there hates religious people and send them all to some kind of hell and rewards atheists? theres just as much of a chance and evidence of that being true as the christian god.So this is your plan? You hope you get rewarded by God for not believing in Him?fold preflop Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 According to this game religion and atheism are both dumb as they picked AK over AA.Ahh but AA would take your free will out of the equation as AA would be an instanta call Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 So wait...what if I want to play H.O.R.S.E?Unfortunately we get the hand we are dealt and the game they are dealing Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 the point is that for an atheist, the odds of a religion being true are something like 1/1 billion, and then if that religion is true, the odds that being a good person without believing in god still leads to hell is like another 1/1 billion.for a religious person, the odds are obviously different.but there's no way to really mediate which odds are correct. so everyone should be allowed to estimate the odds for themselves and go from there. if pascal thinks that it's 50/50, he's a douchetard.So you are saying there is a chance? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 Complete douchetard :PBG bets Pascal's wager, I raise a well-adjusted and fulfilled life on earth without any time wasted on worship I just cracked your aces... it's ok... just breath really deep and let them goWorship is the single greatest thing you can do on earth. Maybe second to praying in His presence. Okay it's the second greatest thing. One of the only reason I go to some churches is their worship is so awesome Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 According to this game religion and atheism are both dumb as they picked AK over AA.this was the first thing I thought of.So this is your plan? You hope you get rewarded by God for not believing in Him?fold preflophaha Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 pascal's wager has 2 obvious flaws that have been stated about 5000000 times here -1. it can't be used to justify any fundamentalism that requires belief for salvation such as christianity, because there are more than one and the beliefs they require are mutually exlusive. how does a christian know he shouldn't be applying pascal's wager to islam?2. you can go through the motions, but you *can't* choose to believe in something you think is most likely false just because there's a 1 in a zillion chance it's true. a god that strictly requires belief for salvation presumably can and would differentiate between sincere and insincere believers. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Why does it have to be Pascals wager? **** Pascal. I think it should just be something BG thought of. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Why does it have to be Pascals wager? **** Pascal. I think it should just be something BG thought of.lolonly....it wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites
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