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:cry: my club in NJ got raided this friday. It was an awesome place, there were about 45-50 of us there playing a tourney and some 10/20 and 2/5 NL. the door came down and about 60-75 officers in riot gear and assault rifles poured in. I almost shit myself. They had 2 german shepards, and even brought helicopters!!! Really.. they brought friggin helicopters. after 2.5 hours of hands on table and pictures , we left empty handed. even the guys playing ping pong got all of there cash taken. i lost 200 in my pocket and 400 in chips. What is funny is they only arrested the owner and 1 other guy for a child support warrant. no one else even had a parking ticket outstanding. Just goes to show you, poker is mainstream. Now the 35 yr old accountants and construction workers don't have a place to get away for a while. play some cards and have some fun. NJ gambling laws are all grey when it comes to poker. Nobody can say for sure if what we were doing was technically illegal since no rake was being taken. OH WELL... I guess its back to AC for me. If you play at NJ clubs ,,, be careful... thats 2 raids in 1 month!!!

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sorry man! i can't believe you got raided if there was no rake... in most states, the RAKE is what makes gambling illegal, i think...aseem

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I don't understand what the problem is. You're participating in an illeal activity. You got caught. And if all you lost was a few hunderd dollars, consider yourself lucky. You could have been charged and gotten jail time. The accountants and construction workers you mention still have places to get away too. They just can't play poker in the same place. I'm sure that there is somewhere else in the neighborhood or area to go to unwind. Poker is not the only thing to do I'm sure. Maybe they could take some time and go to AC where it is legal to play.

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sorry man! i can't believe you got raided if there was no rake... in most states, the RAKE is what makes gambling illegal, i think...aseem
Actually I'm not sure thats correct. If a business establishment is making money from offering poker, then usually its illegal. They can make money directly from a rake, or indirectly by requiring membership fees or selling alcohol or food (poker is used to make people show up). Usually the law is intended so that home games are legal.That being said most of the time the cops usually leave these places alone. My hunch is that there was probably something else going on (drug sales or other illegal activity) at this place or someone complained about a lot underaged kids going there.
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this sounds a little fishy to me. they raid the place and no one gets arrested, but everyones money is taken? if they didn't arrest you, it's because they couldn't make it stick or you weren't breaking the law. in either case what right do they have to take your money? if everyone had $600 confiscated, that would be $30,000 they took and no one gets arrested? i just don't seee what right they had to take the money without arresting anyone. if it was a crackhouse and they took the crack and didn't arrest anyone i can see that. possessing crack is illegal, possessing money isn't. i don't think i would have given them my cash.

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they raid the place and no one gets arrested, but everyones money is taken?  
When the raided the place they probably confiscated all the chips in the club. Even the ones that were still in play. I believe they can do that since the chips are the property of the club. So if you had chips that money is gone with the wind. I dont think they went into everyone's wallet and just started taking cash.I'm not suprised they didnt arrest anyone except the club owners. They were there to shut down the club, and not to hand how minor tickets.
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they raid the place and no one gets arrested, but everyones money is taken?  
When the raided the place they probably confiscated all the chips in the club. Even the ones that were still in play. I believe they can do that since the chips are the property of the club. So if you had chips that money is gone with the wind. I dont think they went into everyone's wallet and just started taking cash.I'm not suprised they didnt arrest anyone except the club owners. They were there to shut down the club, and not to hand how minor tickets.
they took the money from the guys that were just playing ping pong. whats that about?
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Just think, the only thing they raided them for were the warrants. As for all of your cash, I'm going to guess that the cops split it up amongst themselves and now their playing poker with you money.

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was this the one in Jersey city? which ones have been raided? I belong to a couple, but haven't gone in a long time?

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they took the money from the guys that were just playing ping pong.  whats that about?
My fault. I went back and read the orginal post and he even said they took $200 from his pocket. So I see your point. That does seem odd.
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"Confiscating" illegal money for "evidence?"That sort of thing really pisses me off. One of the most popular cardrooms in Atlanta got raided back in January, and all the players got 1000 dollar tickets and 5 dealers/owners got felony commercial gambling. They called out the swat team for that, too, and basically treated it like a terrorist hideout. Very brave of GwiPo (Gwinnett co. police) to take down those scary, unarmed, middle-aged suburbanites. And it only took 20 or so of them with automatic rifles and riot/storm-trooper gear.F**kin' pigs.

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That sucks. it really does.. gambling laws are stupid. i think as long as the pot isnt being raked then they shouldn do anything because the house isnt making anything off its not like its an undeground casino or anything. oh well good luck guys and sorry to hear about your clubs :cry:

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my point is that the officers probably have much better things they could be doing then breaking up a poker room, especially in NJ
Like what, busting other illegal operations? Why shouldn't they bust up the illegal poker club?
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the fishiest part of the story is that the took the $$ from his pocket. It would be like a cop pulls you over for speeding and takes yer $$. I can understand that the chips you had in play could be taken but not in yer wallet. Give me a break, if there was NO rake taken then it could be considered to be a big home game. So does that mean cops are going to start breaking down the doors where people are playing for money and take all of that $$ too. I know these situations may seem far fetched, but this is what many discussions tend to discuss, is where do they get to draw the line, and if the situations are consdiered to be the same and not.I dunno maybe I am off base here, but was the casino charging a hourly fee or tourney fee? I am guessing yes but the whole thing still seems a bit shady to me.Co-D

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Chuck, are you a cop? The point is not that its illegal its that it is a victimless crime. This doesen't hurt anyone, its not like this is some big drug cartel or terrorist organization. The only bad thing to say about it is that it is illegal, and you probably cant even give me a good reason as to why it is illegal. Why dont you and your cop friends go catch some real criminals, or would you rather shake down unarmed suburbanites with assault rifles, when you could of accomplished the same thing with just a hand ful of cops, no one needed to be treated like a terrorist or a violent criminal in this situation.

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my point is that the officers probably have much better things they could be doing then breaking up a poker room, especially in NJ
Like what, busting other illegal operations? Why shouldn't they bust up the illegal poker club?
Oh I don't know, stopping robberies, catching muderers and rapists, you know, crimes that actually harm.
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Just think, the only thing they raided them for were the warrants. As for all of your cash, I'm going to guess that the cops split it up amongst themselves and now their playing poker with you money.
No crap, what BS how can they take the money that you have on you i don't get that but i am no legal expert. And it is a grey area in a lot of states and from what i heard at least in MN it is only illegal if they owner is taking any kind of money from it, even if say you give the guy that hosts you home game ten bucks for food and beer it is then illegal, but that just sucks man. oh and watch of for the two chicks cheating at the taj. see the thread on that.
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Lets clarify,nothing shady.. they did take our money.. all of it. Also some of the partners of the club were police officers. lol.. go figure.... they were told to stay out last month... oh well.. weird thing is no report was ever given to the paper. the only article i saw was about residents complaining about helicopter noise at 12 midnight. but the local police did not have an explanation for the noise?????? It actually says that in the article... Makes me more worried for the owner. also it was the state and county police that did the raid. word on the street is that the FBI came into the place afterward.

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hey robby--what county are you in? i'm in monmouth and didn't hear anything about it, so i'm assuming it wasn't nearby. the whole ordeal seems a bit shady, especially considering that the state and federal government were involved...i'm guessing that it wasn't just poker they were concerned with--there must have been something else going on, hence the confiscation. just my .02dave.

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