romanian_holdem 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Ghinion. Pacat! Cistigi data viitoare.Craciun fericit!Sever, Romania, holdem.ro Link to post Share on other sites
bubblesssss 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 *Excellent* game, Daniel!!! Cards just weren't in your favor today. Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Ghinion. Pacat! Cistigi data viitoare.Craciun fericit!Sever, Romania, holdem.roexactly what I was saying! Link to post Share on other sites
Evastian 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Such a great game Daniel, congratulations on your money finish! Luck played as much a part in your getting knocked out today as it did keeping you in by giving you a Jack on the river that time.Well done, hope to see you playing in more tournaments soon! Link to post Share on other sites
TheWanderer 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Although I like DN, I'm rooting for Daut. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Not what i wanted to wake uptoo :(damn coolers gg D well deserved Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 This isn't how small ball players think. i'd estimate that DN reraises preflop less than 10% of the hands he plays, and either opens or flat calls raises in position or from the blinds. Math players may hate this approach who are born of the school to "raise or fold, never call" but this style involves seeing a lot of flops and getting money in spots/situations instead of swinging for the fences.Imagine if he did reraise being so deep. Making it 260k to go with about 700k behind? If villain rereraises, he is folding now, investing 25% of his chips, turning his hand essentially into 7-2. If villain calls, the "right" play from that point from a mathematical standpoint will be shoving OOP a wide range of boards to pick up the heavy amount invested preflop, a much weaker postflop play. Instead, investing less preflop allows for more interesting and profitable tournament situations to develop, such as flopping the best hand, the best draw, or the best board to bluff. It allows to keep the pot smaller when he's way behind, to draw out when he's way behind, and to use his chips more effectively to accomplish the same goal (to win the pot). From my limited experience, this is the superior approach to deep stack major tournaments. Keeping in mind my limited scope, in the wsop me, I reraised preflop on day 2 and day 3 exactly 4 hands total I believe. A-A, K-K, x-x (dark), and A-K on a squeeze. Keeping pots smaller and opening or flat caling in position earned far more chips than by reraising and put me at less risk. Admittedly, I probably spewed a lot of chips defending my blinds, but I'm learning. Dang, where can I get your book? Very good stuff... you obviously get it. Link to post Share on other sites
Vegas King 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Not sure you understand the situation or you couldn't possibly beleive that. An aggressive player makes it 90k on the button and I have A-4 in the bb. I could move in here, but take a flop instead. Ont he flop I have aces AND a flush draw. It's extremely unlikely that I'm dead here as if he has a higher heart he'd have to have two hearts or an ace with it. I check to him and he will bet a VERY wide range of hands here. He could have absolutely anything and my hand rates to do very well against that range. I moved in and he almost folded! I needed a J to tie or a heart to win but that's only because he was lucky enough to flop two pair. It's a cooler no matter how you look at it. It's different from the KK vs AA cooler, but it's a cooler nonetheless...Sick, Sick game this week......It was going to take a cooler or two to keep you out of the top 3 this week.Great to see you back on your game. Hope to be at a final table with you very very soon...... Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardGreene1 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hey Daniel who would you think has the best chance of those left standing?EDIT: Great Erick's gone too. Link to post Share on other sites
workz 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 great job daniel...i believe this is the just igniting your 2008, which will be a monstrous year! =D Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dang, where can I get your book? Very good stuff... you obviously get it.Touché Link to post Share on other sites
acesfull333 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 nice work DN!!Sorry I missed the fun today! Link to post Share on other sites
knoxxxy 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Damn E-dog is out too....Ah well, bad luck daniel!Well done on a good finish though...The last hand was definitely the right move, the only reason you would fold is if your trying to turtle to the final table for some extra prize money, But you're clearly playing to win and you cant do that as a tiny stack on the final table. Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I understand the small ball approach and I do think its the best way to approach deep stacked tourneys, in this case though A-4 is not going to flop well most of the time and OOP just calling with this hand is going to be difficult with the stacks. Assuming DN was a little deeper then he has a little more room to get cute with this hand but in this case a lot of the time he can be dominated and if he misses he will have to commit a large % of his stack in order to take down the hand which is the opposite of small ball play. Obviously this is a great flop for his hand, but this exemplifies why playing A4 os OO is dangerous.dangerous and mtt's go hand in hand. The nature of a tournament is to increase danger as each minute passes, not decrease it. Avoiding danger is no formula for success. Folding preflop is not bad, but if you make habits of folding can have similar detrimental results if you make habits of calling. DN is known as a defender of the blinds for a reason.....dang, saw a few others I was hoping would do well eliminated. Was planning on watching the final table, but methinks I'll skip it now unless someone wants to drag me out there. gnight all. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 dangerous and mtt's go hand in hand. The nature of a tournament is to increase danger as each minute passes, not decrease it. Avoiding danger is no formula for success. Folding preflop is not bad, but if you make habits of folding can have similar detrimental results if you make habits of calling. DN is known as a defender of the blinds for a reason.....dang, saw a few others I was hoping would do well eliminated. Was planning on watching the final table, but methinks I'll skip it now unless someone wants to drag me out there. gnight all.Hope you're feeling better Obey. Sorry we missed you this past weekend. Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hope you're feeling better Obey. Sorry we missed you this past weekend.Wish I could give you a standard line that I do feel better, but I really don't. Thanks though man, if I didn't have the internetz, I think i'd have gone insane. But i'll be cool in a few months I'm sure and come wsop, we'll meet. PS- When sprung invited me to go bowl, I lol'd. I think my neck actually screamed "nooooooooooooo" Link to post Share on other sites
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