Snamuh 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Villain is 46/10/1.67 over almost 100 hands. Is calling this long-term profitable? This was such a sick spot because of the fact that he was an obvious donk.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($100)UTG ($172.80)Hero ($130.70)Button ($39.75)SB ($42.70)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K. UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $5.50.Flop: ($16.50) 5, 7, 4(2 players)UTG bets $165.3 (All-In), Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Wait for a better spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 That doesn't sound like a Zach reply... Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 That doesn't sound like a Zach reply...Nope, in fact he usually argues against that logic. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 WOW that a tough one, I probably call here, and see 88-TT a lot. *I am a calling station though* Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Wait for a better spot.* Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Hero?I don't think I can hold myself back here. I really can't.Gotta shove. Link to post Share on other sites
notnathan 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 i think i would say call. the min raise pf seems like a small/medium pocket pair. why would he overbet a set so huge? unless he has some specific read that you call huge overbets light it looks like 88-jj or at worse a flush draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Villain is 46/10/1.67 over almost 100 hands.On that flop against that player your looking at a huge range, but I'd guess he has middle pair or some type of combo draw. Maybe 66, heart draw, Ah6h, in addition to sets or a really donkish two pair.You only have 7.50 invested and need to call off 130 more with an overpair? I'm not really fond if it, even donks catch hands. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 On that flop against that player your looking at a huge range, but I'd guess he has middle pair or some type of combo draw. Maybe 66, heart draw, Ah6h, in addition to sets or a really donkish two pair.You only have 7.50 invested and need to call off 130 more with an overpair? I'm not really fond if it, even donks catch hands.Yeah. Like JJ QQ TT Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 You only have 7.50 invested and need to call off 130 more with an overpair?This is completely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 i can't believe anyone can advocate calling.it's a set at least 60% of the time, but i'd bet it's close to 90%.yes villains number are donkish, but it's the preflop numbers that are poor, which doesn't really give us a read in this spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 This is completely irrelevant.Explain. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Explain.What you've put in the pot is a sunk cost, and does not affect further decisions.What you make your decisions on, are pot odds. Sometimes people say they are pot committed because they put in 80% of their stack or whatever, so they think they need to protect what they've "invested", but in reality, they are making a call based on getting good odds, since there's so much in the pot relative to what their stack is. Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 What you've put in the pot is a sunk cost, and does not affect further decisions.What you make your decisions on, are pot odds. Sometimes people say they are pot committed because they put in 80% of their stack or whatever, so they think they need to protect what they've "invested", but in reality, they are making a call based on getting good odds, since there's so much in the pot relative to what their stack is.I'm aware of that, I thought you meant something different. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 That doesn't sound like a Zach reply... This is completely irrelevant.Ahhh, order is restored. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 It's a SA/WB >80% of the time IMO and we have no pot odds. I think I just dump it. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 If he bet $165 instead of $165.30 I'd think he misclicked and went to bet $16 or 16.5 (assuming he hasn't made a bet like this before) and I'd instacall. The fact that it seems more likely that he did intend to shove makes me want to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 If he bet $165 instead of $165.30 I'd think he misclicked and went to bet $16 or 16.5 (assuming he hasn't made a bet like this before) and I'd instacall. The fact that it seems more likely that he did intend to shove makes me want to fold.Nm Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 If he bet $165 instead of $165.30 I'd think he misclicked and went to bet $16 or 16.5 (assuming he hasn't made a bet like this before) and I'd instacall. The fact that it seems more likely that he did intend to shove makes me want to fold.That's exactly what I thought at first, but the 30 cents throws off that argument :(I just don't like calling here for stacks, it's sort of blah. I dunno If I could fold it though. Link to post Share on other sites
Fox31317 0 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 he open shoves the flop for $164 to a 17$ pot hmm that makes no sense really but i dont call there with only 8$ invested, unless u obv. flop the nuts then u know. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I already explained it in this thread.What you have invested in this pot DOES NOT MATTER. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I already explained it in this thread.What you have invested in this pot DOES NOT MATTER.Lol donkaments. You know we don't speak Canadian. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Lol donkaments. You know we don't speak Canadian. PoTD AINEC Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I call and expect to see A-x hearts every time Link to post Share on other sites
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