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Easy to have "great heart and win a close game" when you're getting blown by the league, its officials and anyone else with any power.The Pats are cheaters and it's been proven once.People like you are the reason people hate Boston sports, which I happen to love except for the Pats. A little success and you get the "can do nothing wrong" attitude and the "holier than thou" attitude forgetting that recently Boston was an absolute sports shit hole. No wonder people hate Sox Nation and are saying the Sox are turning into the next Evil Empire, it's because of assholes like you.Tell me that the Pats don't get more calls going their way then the average team. Please, do. They are the luckiest group of sonsofbitches ever.
You're pretty stupid to think that the Pats are the only ones that were (even maybe are still) stealing signs. It's been par for the course for over 20 years by all teams. Go look up quotes from the coaches of San Fran and Dallas on their old rivalry for proof. A little common sense on the matter doesn't hurt either.As far as the Pats getting calls, did you watch the Pats/Colts game earlier this year? About 6 calls and non calls that went against the Pats that were utterly ridiculous.Did they whine about the refs? No, they persevered and won the football game anyway like top notch teams do.The only people who think the Pats are cheaters are naive fans and screaming announcers praying for more airtime. Everyone within the NFL undoubtedly considers the Patriots the most respected football team in the league, not to mention the model franchise for any professional sports team. Uneducated fans and yacking bobbleheads spewing from their ass means nothing.Sorry to break it to you.I can understand why you're upset though. The Pats have wiped their asses with the Steelers ever since that 28-3 blowout ten or eleven years ago to pull off that huge upset and start the Patriots continued steamrolling of them in every game that has mattered since. The Steelers have been the Pats doormats. So I can see why you aren't thinking clearly, its ok. That said, next week is gonna be a great game and I think the Steelers have a good chance to win. Let's hope they don't make any mistakes/penalties late in a close game like every other team has been doing for years when they play the Patriots (while the Patriots never do), so you don't have more of this bullshit nonsense whining to make yourself feel better if the Steelers lose."Luckiest group of sob's ever?" You sound the losing poker players at .05/.10. Please.
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You're pretty stupid to think that the Pats are the only ones that were (even maybe are) stealing signs. It's been par for the course for over 20 years by all teams. Go look up quotes from the coaches of San Fran and Dallas on their old rivalry for proof. A little common sense on the matter doesn't hurt either.As far as the Pats getting calls, did you watch the Pats/Colts game earlier this year? About 6 calls and non calls that went against the Pats that were utterly ridiculous.Did they whine about the refs? No, they persevered and won the football game anyway.The only people who think the Pats are cheaters are naive fans. Everyone within the NFL undoubtedly considers the Patriots the most respected football team in the league, not to mention the model franchise for any professional sports team. Uneducated fans and yacking bobbleheads spewing from their ass means nothing.Sorry to break it to you.I can understand why you're upset though. The Pats have wiped their asses with the Steelers ever since that 28-3 blowout ten or eleven years ago to pull off that huge upset and start the Patriots continued steamrolling of them in every game that has mattered since. The Steelers have been the Pats doormats. So I can see why you aren't thinking clearly, its ok. "Luckiest group of sob's ever?" You sound the losing poker players at .05/.10. Please.
sorry DS, but even an admitted red sox fan who writes for espn has said that he officially feels that boston fans have become more arrogant and more dbag like then new york fans. and i gotta agree with him. you all have become what you hate the most, and it sucks for everybody else cuz you are annoying as hell. i cheered for the red sox in 04 so that boston would finally win something, now the sox have turned into the yankees money wise and you would think that boston fans would have a little grace and class about doing really well in a short period of time. not so much though.
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sorry DS, but even an admitted red sox fan who writes for espn has said that he officially feels that boston fans have become more arrogant and more dbag like then new york fans. and i gotta agree with him. you all have become what you hate the most, and it sucks for everybody else cuz you are annoying as hell. i cheered for the red sox in 04 so that boston would finally win something, now the sox have turned into the yankees money wise and you would think that boston fans would have a little grace and class about doing really well in a short period of time. not so much though.
This isn't about me being an arrogant fan. I'm not yelling whoop whoop Boston sports own and we are the best evar in everything!1!@#!! I'm simply talking about the Patriots here. The media and fans have made them about to be the exact opposite of what they are. They are the model sports franchise for any professional sports team, because they are the hardest working, most disciplined and best coached team in all of sports, and people want to see them lose because they have upheld this standard of excellence and kept consistently winning in a league where everyone operates under the same salary cap and conditions in favor of promoting a more competitive league through some parity. Period.If you want to think me saying that makes me an arrogant fan spewing on about how Boston sports are the center of the entire universe, then I'm sorry you completely miss the point because that just isn't the case at all.
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This isn't about me being an arrogant fan. I'm not yelling whoop whoop Boston sports own and we are the best evar in everything!1!@#!! I'm simply talking about the Patriots here. The media and fans have made them about to be the exact opposite of what they are. They are the model sports franchise for any professional sports team, because they are the hardest working, most disciplined and best coached team in all of sports, and people want to see them lose because they have upheld this standard of excellence and kept consistently winning in a league where everyone operates under the same salary cap and conditions in favor of promoting a more competitive league through some parity. Period.If you want to think me saying that makes me an arrogant fan spewing on about how Boston sports are the center of the entire universe, then I'm sorry you completely miss the point because that isn't the case at all.
nah not you in particular but some of the other boston fans that posted in the thread. fairly simple looking at tonights game there were 3-4 calls/no calls that were game breakers. the pi, the catch in the end zone, another pi call that was super bs, and the fact my mom called during the game. i agree they work hard etc. but they got reeeeeeeeeeediculously lucky tonight and as a result seeing people like flushgarden talk shit is very irritating when really they didnt deserve that game. if he/others go, shit we got really lucky tonight, glad the streak is still alive, i have no issue. also, i pat-hate b/c of randy moss. that beezy mofo pisses me off cuz of how much he slacks in general. and cuz he played for the raiders.
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nah not you in particular but some of the other boston fans that posted in the thread. fairly simple looking at tonights game there were 3-4 calls/no calls that were game breakers. the pi, the catch in the end zone, another pi call that was super bs, and the fact my mom called during the game. i agree they work hard etc. but they got reeeeeeeeeeediculously lucky tonight and as a result seeing people like flushgarden talk shit is very irritating when really they didnt deserve that game. if he/others go, shit we got really lucky tonight, glad the streak is still alive, i have no issue. also, i pat-hate b/c of randy moss. that beezy mofo pisses me off cuz of how much he slacks in general. and cuz he played for the raiders.
I understand, and I actually didn't think you were saying that just at me. I like flushgarden, and he can be a bit overzealous in his enthusiasm and shit talking, and I can see how that can be a turnoff. I personally just think he is psyched he called the dominance mid summer, and in the face of all the hate the pats have gotten, is having fun gloating at the ridiculousness of all the ridiculous, whiny, cheating comments and hate being thrown around. Could also be that we've stuck by our teams for so long through so many shitty losing seasons that the enthusiasm does go a little overboard considering how insane our teams are running lately because that is the last thing we ever expected here 7 years ago.More Boston/NE fans hate other Boston/NE fans than you would think. We hate the pink hats, we hate the less exciting atmosphere at Fenway as corporate suits now sit in silnece behind home plate. A lot of the shittalkers (not saying you flush) are bandwagon fans in green or pink Bosox hats who have no idea how awesome and what a tragedy John Valentin was, or who Mike Boddicker is, or remember how promising Aaron Sele looked at the start of his career, or how Brian Daubach was a huge reason the Sox finally began to turn things around when he brought the dirt dog attitude aboard with Trot and a few others by leading by example. Or countless other examples.But, tonight, it's just like anything else. Calls are gonna go your way, and also go against you. Hate to bring poker into it, but thats the variance in officiating in any sport. In the end though, the team that prepares the best day in and day out and execute the best are going to come out on top in the end no matter the calls. Winning teams understand this, losing teams look for an excuse instead of looking for the other plays in the trenches that could've turned the game around before it got to that point.The harder you work, the luckier you're gonna get. Has nothing to do with anyone getting more calls than anyone else. They go both ways for every single team on any given night, but the team that has prepared the best and executes when it matters are the teams that are gonna win.Kind of an incoherent ramble, but hopefully it makes a little sense.There is a good chance the Pats are gonna lose one of their last four games for a myriad of reasons. One thing you won't see NE fans doing is complaining about calls and whining about how they are unlucky. We'll all just move onto the next game like Belicheck has taught everyone in the organization, even extending down to the true fans who have been following them forever.Finally, ridiculously lucky is quite an overstatement imo. The Ravens made multiple mistakes when they had the chance to seal it up. They didn't and the Patriots capitalized like top notch teams do.
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Easy to have "great heart and win a close game" when you're getting blown by the league, its officials and anyone else with any power.The Pats are cheaters and it's been proven once.People like you are the reason people hate Boston sports, which I happen to love except for the Pats. A little success and you get the "can do nothing wrong" attitude and the "holier than thou" attitude forgetting that recently Boston was an absolute sports shit hole. No wonder people hate Sox Nation and are saying the Sox are turning into the next Evil Empire, it's because of assholes like you.Tell me that the Pats don't get more calls going their way then the average team. Please, do. They are the luckiest group of sonsofbitches ever.
The tone of my first post in response to this was a little over the top and personal. Sorry about that. I've just has this conversation a few too many times this week and the public perception is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, but I didn't need to be such a dink. I would stand by the term naive, but the term stupid and the sarcasm at the end was uncalled for and I apologize.Popped a few too many xanies tonight. Bedtime.
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The tone of my first post in response to this was a little over the top and personal. Sorry about that. I've just has this conversation a few too many times this week and the public perception is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, but I didn't need to be such a dink. I would stand by the term naive, but the term stupid and the sarcasm at the end was uncalled for and I apologize.Popped a few too many xanies tonight. Bedtime.
No offense taken, it's teh intarwebzsz!!1!zomg!1!heh, sorry I needed to get that out, never done it like that.but,
Gaffney's catch was obviously a juggle without possession and no one will convince me otherwise. Anyone with proper vision could see that. BAL definitely got screwed.
I agree with this whole-heartedly. You cannot tell me that he had clear possession of the football whenever he stepped out of bounds. He was juggling the ball and moving it around even after his foot stepped onto the white. Had the ball not been moving, I have no disagreement with the TD and realize what an even bigger idiot Brian Billick is then I had previously thought.You have no idea how hard it is as a Steeler fan to root as hard for the Ravens in a single game as you do for the Steelers. It's HARD. Somehow I did it though. Sure, the timeout called by the sideline (which if I'm not mistaken was taken by an assistant or coordinator which isn't allowed) was moronic and idiotic, but the false start on the next play that some how allowed the Pats more room to throw the ball (something that makes them MUCH more dangerous then jamming it up the middle, ESPECIALLY against an inspired Ravens D) just seemed like it was well-placed. There were also a couple of different calls down the end, I can't remember them off the top of my head -- I try to live and let go, especially with things I can't control -- but it just seems like in every close game when a call has to be made, it benefits the Pats.Also, in a sorta unrelated matter, it just feels like the NFL is fixed because of the crazy shit that happens. I KNOW its not, same with online poker, but doesn't it feel that way sometimes? The people in charge would have to be the best soap opera writers alive.
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Bump for more posts related to hatred against the Patriots?I can't stand the Patriots. Also, I'm tired of seeing Kraft in his owner's suite during every game. He's the owner, not the game thats being played which we're supposed to be watching. Also, if the Patriots are deemed the greatest team in NFL history by ESPN, then you know that no other team can be the greatest from here on out, because its ESPN and their OBV east coast bias that is going to dictate this opinion.

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It is good to be a Boston Sports fan, lord knows I have waited my whole life for the past 5 years or so.I :club: haters. The catch in the endzone was a judgement call, the ref made the call it wasn't getting overturned one way or the other. It was just to close.I think the Ravens got a little unlucky here or there but it isn't like the Pats haven't been on the other side of those calls. I mean the Indy game there were at least 3 horrible pass interference calls.Either way if the Ravens had a little bit of class they wouldn't be pulling the ref card, no matter who says even if you are correct you look like winny little biatches IMHO,

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It is good to be a Boston Sports fan, lord knows I have waited my whole life for the past 5 years or so.I :club: haters. The catch in the endzone was a judgement call, the ref made the call it wasn't getting overturned one way or the other. It was just to close.I think the Ravens got a little unlucky here or there but it isn't like the Pats haven't been on the other side of those calls. I mean the Indy game there were at least 3 horrible pass interference calls.Either way if the Ravens had a little bit of class they wouldn't be pulling the ref card, no matter who says even if you are correct you look like winny little biatches IMHO,
Did I ever ention to you that I was at the Superbowl that the Pats and the Raiders played in San Diego. I was on the field, 2 feet behind the Pat's bench for the entire first half. I left during the 3rd quarter to beat traffic though.superbowl2003-128.jpgThat's me in the white shirt directly left of the main stage. next to the truss
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Either way if the Ravens had a little bit of class they wouldn't be pulling the ref card, no matter who says even if you are correct you look like winny little biatches IMHO,
you mean class like Harrison shows when he jaws at the Raven's sideline after the interception in the 4th quarter? you mean, class like when Belichek snubbed Mangini last year, and how he sidestepped Dungy when Dungy went to congratulate him after their win this year vs. the colts? Ahh, that type of class.
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The Ravens had this game in the bag, and it was quite an unfortunate/unlucky series of events that caused us to lose this game. I am a huge Ravens fan and these are my thoughts on the game:1. REX RYAN, not Brian Billick, called the costly timeout that would have resulted in our regaining possession of the ball when the Pats rushed to the line and tried to pound the ball on 4th and 1. While this was unfortunate, keep in mind that the Patriots had done the hurry up twice before in the game and had gained 4-5 yards on those times. If he, our defensive mastermind, does not think our players on the field do not match up well with theirs when they hurry up, I have no problem with him calling the timeout. While in hindsight it was a mistake, he has done/still does such spectacular things for our team and so I cannot hold this against him, especially considering the Patriots previous success in the game picking up the necessary short yardage with this play. It sucks but it wasn't the terrible timeout like some people are making it out to be WITH KNOWLEDGE OF RESULTS.2. It was unlucky that when we tipped up Brady's pass so high into the air that a Ravens player didn't come up with the pick. More than 80% of the time when a pass is tipped that high into the air, our defense would have made a game-ending play in that spot. I attribute this to the nasty bitch that is variance: it won't work out for us every time but in the long run our being able to make such a play on passes will result in victories. Our defense has done it for us so many times before, and will continue to do so in the future.3. The TD pass call was very questionable, but I believe the commentators said it right, if Gaffney had lifted his fingertips from the ball while he was trying to tuck it in, the call would have been overturned. Since he didn't, there wasn't undisputable evidence to overturn the field call. I don't personally believe he had possession though, and was extremely disappointed.4. I believe the defensive pass interference call on #28 in the endzone was the proper call, though it was very unfortunate that he committed it, since the rest of our secondary had the route well covered and would have been able to break up the play. There were some other calls against the Ravens that were much more suspect.5. Ed Reed's fumble was devastatingingly unfortunate. If he had been able to hold onto that ball there is no doubt in my mind that we would have won that game. Props to him for making a great play however, he is still the best safety in the league bar none in my opinion. I know I was rocking my black Ed Reed jersey during the game and will continue to do so for as long as he is in the league.I could go on for much longer but I will sum up with this: Last night was an AWESOME game, perhaps the best game to watch to date this year. While I would have absolutely LOVED a Ravens victory, the fact that they proved their ability to hang with anyone in the league is a victory in my opinion. Our play calling was significantly improved as Willis touched the ball 30 times and we got back to core Ravens football - pounding the ball down people's throats. Boller could not have been expected to play any better than he did, and while the interception he threw was stupid, its a hell of a lot better than the 4-5 offensive turnovers it seems like we have been averaging this year. If we play a game on this level come Sunday against the Colts, I have no doubt that we will emerge victorious and avenge last year's playoff loss in Baltimore. Go Ravens and as much as I hate to say this... Go Steelers! They have a very similar game strategy to us and represent the best chance for ending the Pats' perfect run.

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I was actually at the game. Hell of a game. The atmosphere was awesome.There are plenty of lucky/unlucky breaks to discuss for either team, but i think the luckiest was the false start by NE on 4th and 1. We stopped them dead for -2 yards, but since they false started they get a second chance.Also the replay they showed in the stadium of the Gafney catch was different than I have seen on tv since the game. It looked pretty clear that he was moving the ball, but the ref who made the call (the same ref that called Samari a "boy") didnt have the angle to see it. The ball was on the front right side of Gafney, while the ref was to the back left of him.This pretty much sums up how I/Many think the average Boston Sports Fan is like:I was standing outside the stadium by the Johnny Unitas Statue waiting for my friends. This guy in a Wes Welker jersey also standing by the statue starts talking shit about Johnny Unitas. How can you possibly talk shit about Johnny f'ing Unitas? So this other guy says to him "you shouldnt disrespect the dead like that, thats pretty classless". So the pats fan gets in the guys face and asks him if he wants to step outside (we were already outside) and threatens him. The guy just stands there and calmly says "Im not going to fight anybody, you just shouldnt disrespect the dead". The pats fan continues saying "take a swing" and "anytime you want to go". The other guy stays calm and repeats that he isnt going to fight anyone and walks away.King, I know how you feel. I hate the Steelers with a passion, but will be rooting hard for them to win on Sunday.

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I was actually at the game. Hell of a game. The atmosphere was awesome.There are plenty of lucky/unlucky breaks to discuss for either team, but i think the luckiest was the false start by NE on 4th and 1. We stopped them dead for -2 yards, but since they false started they get a second chance.Also the replay they showed in the stadium of the Gafney catch was different than I have seen on tv since the game. It looked pretty clear that he was moving the ball, but the ref who made the call (the same ref that called Samari a "boy") didnt have the angle to see it. The ball was on the front right side of Gafney, while the ref was to the back left of him.This pretty much sums up how I/Many think the average Boston Sports Fan is like:I was standing outside the stadium by the Johnny Unitas Statue waiting for my friends. This guy in a Wes Welker jersey also standing by the statue starts talking shit about Johnny Unitas. How can you possibly talk shit about Johnny f'ing Unitas? So this other guy says to him "you shouldnt disrespect the dead like that, thats pretty classless". So the pats fan gets in the guys face and asks him if he wants to step outside (we were already outside) and threatens him. The guy just stands there and calmly says "Im not going to fight anybody, you just shouldnt disrespect the dead". The pats fan continues saying "take a swing" and "anytime you want to go". The other guy stays calm and repeats that he isnt going to fight anyone and walks away.RERAISEALLIN, I know how you feel. I hate the Steelers with a passion, but will be rooting hard for them to win on Sunday.
FYP, King is a dirty Steelers fan. You making it to the Colts game too? Either way I am jealous, I would have killed to be at either game. Still trying to devise a way to be at the Ravens/Steelers game in Baltimore on December 30th, its always a ridiculous atmosphere.
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No I didn't, I went all in on nearly every hand. I even called your big all ins with marginal hands. I didn't always wait for premiums. Someone post the HH's. I won a HUGE pot with 78 and another with 10 8. LOL premiums. I didn't get a premium hand other than JJ the whole time.
I call bitch on this one.
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