Combo Draw Got Check Raised(how Do I Play These Things!)

[prideofatx 0]

I believe the villain is running at about 30/8 over 40 handsUltimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (6 handed) Ultimate-Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($9.41)UTG ($19.22)MP ($3.23)Hero ($10.17)Button ($2.31)SB ($9.90)Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8. 1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, Button calls $0.45, 1 fold, BB calls $0.35, MP folds.Flop: ($1.50) 7, 9, 6(3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button folds, BB raises to $5.25, Hero calls $4.Ok so how does everyone play these things. I know ive heard alot of people like to felt combo draws, but i just feel like im going to consistently be behind in these situations where over pairs dont really make up a large part of the villains range. I feel like calling was probably the worst thing i should have done...it was probably a push fold. Anyway i need some help playing these sorts of hands so please enlighten me to how you go about these.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

i shovel. 810 and 99 are the only hands that have you in bad shape i think.edit: when i read "combo draw" i assumed we had the same number of outs as straight + flush draw to come up with "i shovel" and then came up with the hands that has us in bad shape based on the hand itself. my bad. you're probably better off folding in these spots unless there's a metagame reason for doing so (villain has been trying to run over you)

[Zach6668 513]

This isn't really a combo draw.

[Ricer98 0]

I'd just fold in this spot for two reasons, our draw isn't that good and we have no fold equity. Alot of the reason people play combo draws so fast is because they will have fold equity over hands they are 50/50 against and have plenty of outs if they do happen to run into a monster. In this hand we only have 8 clean outs and with the villian's line we are behind pretty often. About the best we could hope for was that he check raised with 68 or 78, but since we have two 8's this is going to be pretty rare. Everything else in his range has us in pretty bad shape.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Board: 7h 9c 6sDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 36.615% 34.35% 	02.26% 			 11904 		  783.00   { 8d8h }Hand 1: 63.385% 61.13% 	02.26% 			 21180 		  783.00   { JJ-66, ATs, T8s+, 97s, 76s }

I'll assume that the rest of the money goes in if we play on at the point.1.5 Preflop1.25 Hero's flop bet8.96 Villain's stack after flop------11.71 Amount in the pot7.71 Amount for hero to call1.52:1 Odds0.4 Break even fractionSo it looks to me like a fold on those numbers. I suck at this, honestly, but if you can foresee his raise then you can manipulate the pot size in a way that gives you the last meaningful raise. As played, you're going to have a hard time pushing him off of JJ.

[craiger 0]

I can't really see the villain raising with anything we have beat here. What would YOU raise with? If I were the villain, I would raise:AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 77, 66, 9-7, 9-6, 7-6, 8-5, 8-10, A-9, K-9, Q-9, J-9, T-9. And they all have you beat.On the turn you called $4 into a pot of $8, which gave you 2 to 1 odds. Unless you thought you had the best hand already and didn't need to improve, you clearly made the worng call (since you probably did need to improve to win). You had 8 outs at the most, maybe 10 if you are lucky. That means you needed about 4.5 to 1 to make a call profitable here. Not even close to the 2 to 1 you had. So when he raises the flop, I'm out.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Craiger's range is about the same:

Board: 7h 9c 6sDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 34.005%	  32.00% 	02.00% 			 20593 		 1289.50   { 8d8h }Hand 1: 65.995%	  63.99% 	02.00% 			 41178 		 1289.50   { 66+, A9s, K9s, Q9s, J9s, T8s+, 97s-96s, 85s, 76s }

[NoBBiR 0]

I believe the villain is running at about 30/8 over 40 handsUltimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (6 handed) Ultimate-Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($9.41)UTG ($19.22)MP ($3.23)Hero ($10.17)Button ($2.31)SB ($9.90)Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8. 1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, Button calls $0.45, 1 fold, BB calls $0.35, MP folds.Flop: ($1.50) 7, 9, 6(3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button folds, BB raises to $5.25, Hero calls $4.Ok so how does everyone play these things. I know ive heard alot of people like to felt combo draws, but i just feel like im going to consistently be behind in these situations where over pairs dont really make up a large part of the villains range. I feel like calling was probably the worst thing i should have done...it was probably a push fold. Anyway i need some help playing these sorts of hands so please enlighten me to how you go about these.

I'm going to say that you have 10 outs here for argument sake, but I doubt you always do. First of all, you should never call his raise with stacks the way they are. Either put him all in, or fold. You're getting nearly the right price to draw, but you aren't closing the hands action, meaning you're going to call another bet on the turn which actually prices you out horribly.Personally I don't think this is ever going to be a straight (you're hogging two of the eights which makes it very hard to be a straight) but rather is going to be 66 or 77 and two pair a lot. I think it is overly presumptuous to give the villain any pair higher than 10's here. I don't see like any villain not three-betting Jacks+ from the big blind in the squeeze here.Against a range without a straight in it, you're not so bad off:

35,640  games	 0.016 secs	 2,227,500  games/secBoard: 7h 9c 6sDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	60.682%	  59.88% 	00.80% 			 21341 		  286.00   { 77-66, A9s, 96s, 76s, A9o, 96o, 76o }Hand 1: 	39.318%	  38.52% 	00.80% 			 13727 		  286.00   { 8d8h }

With a straight, you're screwed:

51,480  games	 0.005 secs	10,296,000  games/secBoard: 7h 9c 6sDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	69.005%	  65.24% 	03.77% 			 33583 		 1941.00   { 77-66, A9s, T8s, 96s, 85s, 76s, A9o, T8o, 96o, 85o, 76o }Hand 1: 	30.995%	  27.22% 	03.77% 			 14015 		 1941.00   { 8d8h }

I'd dump it, but if this was the villains all-in bet, or you were deeper, I'd snap call him without a read. If you had also bet the flop harder, say overbet $2 (which I probably would have done because that is a really good flop for you) or something, then you'd pretty much have to put the rest in. But since you didn't you can still get away.

[David_Nicoson 1]

i shovel. 810 and 99 are the only hands that have you in bad shape i think.

TT is also 3:1.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

TT is also 3:1.

i edited my post because i made an error in thinking earlier. on hands that have him in really bad shape, yeah 1010 isn't a good one either.

[Dubey 1,035]

This isn't really a combo draw.

You obviously don't play cribbage. He has two straight draws, duh.

[Zach6668 513]

16 points is a good crib hand.

[mtdesmoines 3]

That's like the second nuts in cribbage.

[Acid_Knight 2]

1st thread ever hijacked due to cribbage. Guaranteed.OP: This is not a combo draw. Pretty much every instance of the phrase "combo draw" that I can imagine usually involves a flush draw.

[Orion071 0]

That's like the second nuts in cribbage.

Come on, 16 points is good, but it's hardly the second nuts. Make that 6 another 7 and then we'll be cooking.

[Zach6668 513]

My favorite crib hand is 67788 or 44556 type hands. 24 points baby.I've never got the 29, but my Grandfather got one in a tournament once.As long as I don't get 19, I'm happy.

[prideofatx 0]

Ok, well so far i learned i was definately overestimating my equity and the strength of my hand.....unless i was playing cribbage. Anyway lesson learned as i donked of a stack to the villians two pair. Need to quit playing while tired.

[NoBBiR 0]

Ok, well so far i learned i was definately overestimating my equity and the strength of my hand.....unless i was playing cribbage. Anyway lesson learned as i donked of a stack to the villians two pair. Need to quit playing while tired.

It's alright, I probably would have donked off here spur of the moment too. The equity is pretty close in correlation with pot odds, so when you do spot calculations, you're probably putting it in here a lot.