Ethics Question:stalling In Satelites?

[grocery_mony 8]

First of all I dont stall at all in mtts even when I am super low. But in sattelites where everyone is playing for the same prize I just wanted to get everyones consesus on the ethics of stalling. It happens there more than anywhere else and the diffrence of 1 extra hand played can mean the diffrence between winning a seat or bubbling. I hadnt before but recently I knew if I could hold on I would make it for sure so I stalled for the first time in a satelite. Is this ethically wrong?

[govikes 0]

just think to yourself you have a really heard decision to make....that way its not ethically wrong to stall....because your not really stalling, you're thinking about your hand...right?

[GWCGWC 83]

No, it's not wrong ethically. Usually, it's wrong thinking that playing less hands will actually benefit you. Thankfully, Stars starts hand for hand really early, especially in turbo satellites, to stop this from being a problem.

[OrzyVibe 0]

I think I would stall....that maybe be ethically iffy...but I think I would take my time with my decisions in a satellite close to the bubble. Maybe stall is a strong word but I would certainly think before acting each time. Just being truthful.

[Ko8e34 0]

Nothing wrong with stalling esp. when others at your table are doing it and when you pop up another table and it takes 5 minutes to play a hand.

[jethrodull 0]

nothing wrong with it...part of the game strat for that type of tourney...is bluffing ethically wrong? no.. all part of the game...by stalling you expose yourself to rising blinds...all part of the gameJ

[vbnautilus 48]

I think you have a right to use all the time alotted to you by the software. In many cases, if your table doesn't do this you may be at a disadvantage since every other table is doing it. Just remember there's a tradeoff - fewer hands played, yes, but more time for the blinds to increase before they get to you as well.

[grocery_mony 8]

Ok so far so good, I am not a scumbag . Now a general sattelite strategy question. In this same tourney which was a turbo rebuy, at the half hour break add on peiod I did some math and figured out what the average stack would be at the bubble. I had a little more than that number right then. I did not play a single hand the rest of the tourney and got in with 2bb to spare. Is this a good gereral guidline to follow in these turbo rebuys?

[Jam-Fly 8]

I think it's bad etiquette

[SCYUKON 0]

I think it's bad etiquette

Agree, but if everyone else at the table, and all the other tables are doing it, I definitely do it. Agree the blinds catch up to you if your stack is not solid when the stall starts, but if you have a large stack, I think that you have to play ball if everyone else at the table is doing so.Not only that, but if you don't stall when others at the table are, you are hurting their chances as well as your own. When I have a large stack, I don't like picking on short stacks but would rather see shortstack vs shortstack battling it out for the last few spots. And I make notes on stars of bigstacks who do abuse little stacks for no good reason at end of satellites just in case I wind up as a big stack another time when they are just stalling and hanging on for dear life. Then I will try everything in my power to bust them out, while still preserving my seat.This thread is probably going to deliver, getting a vibe on it. Purists should weigh in soon.

[GWCGWC 83]

Ok so far so good, I am not a scumbag . Now a general sattelite strategy question. In this same tourney which was a turbo rebuy, at the half hour break add on peiod I did some math and figured out what the average stack would be at the bubble. I had a little more than that number right then. I did not play a single hand the rest of the tourney and got in with 2bb to spare. Is this a good gereral guidline to follow in these turbo rebuys?

If this was on Stars and the $3R to the million then you'd have to have a MASSIVE stack in the first 30min or you'll be blinded out. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to even get close to the money without doubling through several times. Stalling in a turbo is doing yourself and the players at your table a disservice. The blinds increase too quickly to make stalling a viable option to make it to the money with chips.

[Jam-Fly 8]

If this was on Stars and the $3R to the million then you'd have to have a MASSIVE stack in the first 30min or you'll be blinded out. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to even get close to the money without doubling through several times. Stalling in a turbo is doing yourself and the players at your table a disservice. The blinds increase too quickly to make stalling a viable option to make it to the money with chips.

werd

[SCYUKON 0]

If this was on Stars and the $3R to the million then you'd have to have a MASSIVE stack in the first 30min or you'll be blinded out. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to even get close to the money without doubling through several times. Stalling in a turbo is doing yourself and the players at your table a disservice. The blinds increase too quickly to make stalling a viable option to make it to the money with chips.

Well the turbos usually take about 1.5 hours, and the stalling usually happens in the last 20 min or so, so agree you would probably get blinded out.Not sure how stalling at end is a disservice though. Would it not be that the fewer hands played, the less chance of someone at the table busting out, all other things being equal?

[grocery_mony 8]

for the record 6 of 9 players at the table were already stalling me making 7.

[Jariso13 1]

I dont think stalling online is wrong at all...its your right....but can Pokerstars please let all the players know that stalling when your hand for hand makes no sense...

[grocery_mony 8]

I dont think stalling online is wrong at all...its your right....but can Pokerstars please let all the players know that stalling when your hand for hand makes no sense...

QFT. And the chat is turned off so you cant even tell these dolts that it is pointless.

[GWCGWC 83]

Well the turbos usually take about 1.5 hours, and the stalling usually happens in the last 20 min or so, so agree you would probably get blinded out.Not sure how stalling at end is a disservice though. Would it not be that the fewer hands played, the less chance of someone at the table busting out, all other things being equal?

I don't remember exactly when these go H4H, but I think it's with 10 to go. Maybe someone can find it and put up the link. I'm pretty sure the math says it's better to see more hands and pay the blinds instead of stalling until the blinds get so out of line that you are all-in on the next one. If you'll look at the avg stack towards the seat bubble, you'll find the M's are usually >5. Basically, one blind jump and that stack is allin in the BB/SB.

[a__thekevlar__2 0]

not wrong, but i think people that stall in satellites are pussies

[SCYUKON 0]

QFT. And the chat is turned off so you cant even tell these dolts that it is pointless.

Is it though? When it is hand for hand, is the clock still not ticking on the time limit for the blind increase. So odd example say I am at a table where there are nothing but big stacks in the bb for the next few hands (say m of 20 for sake of argument), and at another table are a bunch of players with m's of 1 or 2, would not the stalling, even in hand for hand, still result in fewer hands played before the blinds went up and the low m's were forced all in?I have never understood the "it does not matter when the play is hand for hand" bit unless the clock gets stopped until each hand has played out in a round. If it does, then I agree that it makes no difference, but I think the clock keeps ticking.

[SCYUKON 0]

not wrong, but i think people that stall in satellites are pussies

I don't know your background(maybe you have lots of mobnies), but if all were stalling around you for a 10,000 seat into the WSOP main event, and you were low on chips, you would not stall if doing so would guarantee you a seat?Wow - that would take some measure of integrity.

[grocery_mony 8]

Is it though? When it is hand for hand, is the clock still not ticking on the time limit for the blind increase. So odd example say I am at a table where there are nothing but big stacks in the bb for the next few hands (say m of 20 for sake of argument), and at another table are a bunch of players with m's of 1 or 2, would not the stalling, even in hand for hand, still result in fewer hands played before the blinds went up and the low m's were forced all in?I have never understood the "it does not matter when the play is hand for hand" bit unless the clock gets stopped until each hand has played out in a round. If it does, then I agree that it makes no difference, but I think the clock keeps ticking.

ok so maybe I am the dolt then.

[SCYUKON 0]

ok so maybe I am the dolt then.

No, you are not. It depends on if the clock gets stopped during hand for hand. I don't know the answer to that question.......

[Chicago99 0]

Is it though? When it is hand for hand, is the clock still not ticking on the time limit for the blind increase. So odd example say I am at a table where there are nothing but big stacks in the bb for the next few hands (say m of 20 for sake of argument), and at another table are a bunch of players with m's of 1 or 2, would not the stalling, even in hand for hand, still result in fewer hands played before the blinds went up and the low m's were forced all in?I have never understood the "it does not matter when the play is hand for hand" bit unless the clock gets stopped until each hand has played out in a round. If it does, then I agree that it makes no difference, but I think the clock keeps ticking.

Yes, I've seen people do this if the next increase is within a min and the short stack would then be all in the next hand.

[SCYUKON 0]

Yes, I've seen people do this if the next increase is within a min and the short stack would then be all in the next hand.

I seem to recall that happening during my turbo qualifier as a BR builder past life as well. Thanks

[Jariso13 1]

Yes, I've seen people do this if the next increase is within a min and the short stack would then be all in the next hand.

In that case I can see it making sense...but im talking more about the people stalling when 2 more people need to go out and the blinds arent going up for another 15 min...thats when it drives you crazy...it turns the end of the satellite into the end of a basketball game...(play for 10 seconds...time out...repeat) Okay...maybe there are no foul shots in poker though...