Hsp 500k: Part Quattro

[XXEddie 0]

Just because trip queens > top pair/gutshot does not mean the pot should be bigger than the other. While I think the farha/antonius hand went way out of control, Antonius read the situatuion correctly assuming Farha had a flush draw the way he c/r 5x on the flop out of position and was unlucky that he also had 2 overs.With the KQ vs QT on the qq56 board and Farha firing the pot, there's no reason for Gui to raise as he can't be called by a worse hand and can easily be beat.

I just thought that was kinda funny, but are you kidding wont be paid off??Sammy easily coulda had a weaker Q, ANY weaker Q including Q2. He easily would call a flop/turn raise with most draws. You could read it on sammy's face, he was pissed off and tilting and is not folding as many hands as you think

[looshle 6]

I just thought that was kinda funny, but are you kidding wont be paid off??Sammy easily coulda had a weaker Q, ANY weaker Q including Q2. He easily would call a flop/turn raise with most draws. You could read it on sammy's face, he was pissed off and tilting and is not folding as many hands as you think

Well I guess w sammy he could have Q2, but against any decent player who bets pot on the turn and is raised is prob folding AA, KK, Q8. While he will get paid off by a worse queen, raising the turn is def -ev, even against sammy.

[Bizzle 0]

I don't have any idea how Doyle could call there other than that of pure steam.

That call was very simple, there's a reason Doyle called 230k that quickly. I don't see how people don't get that.

So Guy should have "only" had 20 outs on the river, not the 25 he was claiming. Is there a flaw somewhere I'm missing, or does Guy just recall the hand wrong?

It was 19, and yes, Guy can't count.

[ajs510 122]

It was 19, and yes, Guy can't count.

How are you figuring 19?

[TB17 0]

That call was very simple, there's a reason Doyle called 230k that quickly. I don't see how people don't get that.

elaborate. that call was very very bad and he is behind so often it hurts. unless theres some magic read that I missed, guy's play was so strong.

[Bizzle 0]

How are you figuring 19?

Ac twice? Not accounting for the 2c? idk however you wanna figure it.

[Bizzle 0]

elaborate. that call was very very bad and he is behind so often it hurts. unless theres some magic read that I missed, guy's play was so strong.

Alright, my thoughts, and something I haven't read yet in a single post on any forum.First of all, Doyle is getting 2.5ish:1 (I believe, someone else can do the math if they want, it was 230 into an 818 pot). The key for the hand, to me, is still Guy's limp behind a limper-in previous shows, we have seen Guy raise JJ, AJ, AK, AQ, AA, so we can immediately remove those hands from his range. I'll leave one of them in there for argument's sake, but let's just say that if I was Doyle I'd be totally shocked if any one of those hands showed up there. The flop comes AJ4 like 5 ways, it checks through to Doyle who bets 40k into a 57k pot, folds back to Guy basically instantaneously (other than Sammy, who hesitated) and Guy makes the call. His range here is pretty simple-{ace-x (including A4), J4, 44}. I mean honestly, how can it be any other hand? If we assume that same range (with one of the hands previously mentioned thrown in) is making the same turn raise, and Doyle has 12-15 outs against anything that is already beating him except the 44, and is crushing everything else in that range, how is this not an easy call?Hand 0: 63.689% 56.87% 06.82% 2152 258.00 { AdTd }Hand 1: 36.311% 29.49% 06.82% 1116 258.00 { 44, AKs, ATs-A2s, J4s, AKo, ATo-A2o, J4o }

[Bizzle 0]

I'll include a little more reasonable range (removing A8, A7, A6, adding 53):Hand 0: 52.101% 45.70% 06.40% 1327 186.00 { AdTd }Hand 1: 47.899% 41.49% 06.40% 1205 186.00 { 44, AKs, ATs-A9s, A5s-A2s, J4s, 53s, AKo, ATo-A9o, A5o-A2o, J4o }

[pdr87 0]

How many ep. left?

[David_Nicoson 1]

That call was very simple, there's a reason Doyle called 230k that quickly. I don't see how people don't get that.

QFT.

[Chaserjim 0]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

[Jeepster80125 0]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

I assume the only way benyamine would be getting paid off is if sammy catches a boat. It's obvious he doesn't have the flush, and the only reason sammy calls the turn is to boat up on the river.I think.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

that's what I thought too.also, I really liked Guy's play on the QQQ10 v QQQK hand. Sammy could've easily made the straight on the river, had a better set, or a full house and there was plenty of money being put in the pot as is. I suspect Guy was thinking Farha most likely was bluffing too, so no real reason to push him off his possible air.On the Guy v Doyle hand, unless I had a very specific read that Guy was going nuts I would've called or folded, but it wasn't so terrible a push given he had a redraw, top pair, and decent kicker without any strong preflop action. I'm a bit surprised Guy had the restraint on the trips hand but went nuts with a gutshot + top pair, but maybe it's like the next episode (leaked), he "had a feeling."Jamie was being obnoxious, almost out of money, and was getting crazy lucky - they should've been glad he left. He was great for the game in the beginning but when he was playing hands with the money in his wallet he became pretty useless.Barry was probably being diplomatic talking bad about Morrison's play. I remember the talk when it happened, and it came down to "that was cold blooded but Guy should've folded." Maybe Barry really disagrees, but regardless - BG has done a great job of making the lesser players happy to play with him.Farha v PA - I liked Farha's insta call more than PA's and we've seen PA make crazy shoves before - like in the Aussie Millions when he gave away the chiplead shoving in marginal situations. I think he figured Farha would be on the draw or had two overs and would give it up to a shove, but it's still very marginal given stack sizes. This was probably a top 10 HSP episode for me, so many interesting hands.

[FHgrad99 0]

This was a very interesting episode because of the hands that resulted in the big pots. The big pots weren't as a result of 2 guys with big hands (sets, straights, flushes, etc.) going at it. It made for very interesting television.

[Vtlaxer09 4]

im alive.3 A's.... 3 Q's... 3 8's... 3 J's... (3 clubs on board... 2 in their hands... one A club.) therefore 7 clubs... 19.

[CobaltBlue 662]

With the KQ vs QT on the qq56 board and Farha firing the pot, there's no reason for Gui to raise as he can't be called by a worse hand and can easily be beat.

Bingo. Standard WA/WB. Gabe took that same "incredulous" line about big hands not resulting in big pots, but it's all relative.

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea?

There are plenty of times that re-raising with the nuts is a good idea. It's not that Benyamine's hand is vulnerable, but Sammy's certainly is. If Sammy has a set, and a four-card straight or another club rolls off, he loses potential action. If Sammy's got a straight and a club rolls off, he loses action. If Sammy has a low flush and a club rolls off, he loses action. If Sammy has a flush and the board pairs, he loses action. I think Benyamine put Sammy on having some sort of decent flush when he puts in the 3-bet. I do think his re-raise should've been a bit smaller though.

[XXEddie 0]

Well I guess w sammy he could have Q2, but against any decent player who bets pot on the turn and is raised is prob folding AA, KK, Q8. While he will get paid off by a worse queen, raising the turn is def -ev, even against sammy.

I strongly disagree. Again, sammy was tilting, and he just saw Guy put in a 300k bet with A5 on a AJ42 board(or something like that). I agree with saying there is no reason to raise the river. But I definately think he could have won more.

[XXEddie 0]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

I think Gabe coulda been right when he thought Benyamine put Sammy on a J high flush type hand. I dont hate him raising, but another 75k was a bad raise. He should made some small raise to about 90k total to either 1) Commit sammy on his flush 2) Give him proper odds to chase if he had a set.Im rather positive most other players at the table fold the turn to David's 75k raise. Its just too much to hope the board pairs. And its possible, though probably rare, that Benyamine had a set there, and wanted to know if he was good or not.His pot-sized 250k bet on the river, was just horrible.And I liked how this hand showed you how much acting, regardles how great it is, can announce you hand. I've seen it over and over again. A player has the nuts and over the course of a few motions/acts he makes his opponent KNOW he has the best hand, but once he says 'raise' after it all, they give it away.I would have loved to see Benyamine flat call then check the turn to Sammy(IIRC Sammy was the button, no?)

[Gallo 1]

I think Gabe coulda been right when he thought Benyamine put Sammy on a J high flush type hand. I dont hate him raising, but another 75k was a bad raise. He should made some small raise to about 90k total to either 1) Commit sammy on his flush 2) Give him proper odds to chase if he had a set.Im rather positive most other players at the table fold the turn to David's 75k raise. Its just too much to hope the board pairs. And its possible, though probably rare, that Benyamine had a set there, and wanted to know if he was good or not.His pot-sized 250k bet on the river, was just horrible.And I liked how this hand showed you how much acting, regardles how great it is, can announce you hand. I've seen it over and over again. A player has the nuts and over the course of a few motions/acts he makes his opponent KNOW he has the best hand, but once he says 'raise' after it all, they give it away.I would have loved to see Benyamine flat call then check the turn to Sammy(IIRC David was the button, no?)

Benyamine was OOP. That's why I think the c/r on turn was good. I do think that he raised waaaaaaaaay too much on turn and bet waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much on river. Maybe he was putting Sammy on a made flush and thought that a huge bet was a huge bluff and he was just trying to steal the pot away.

[MoChipsPlese 0]

My 2 cents about this season.I officially can not stand Antonio Esfandiari any longer. He used to be ok in the beginning but then it was the wave every other hand. Now it is "Oh, I love America" or "I love poker". That is all he provides to the series and it is getting more annoying than the wave ever was.I would rather watch a table with 9 Erik Seidel's playing. That way at least we would see quality poker without the obligatory catch phrase that AE offers everytime the cameras start rolling.Other than that I am enjoying season 4.

[coesillian 0]

Esfandiari's fold with 10-9 suited when 4 people called a 10k raise when he already had $$ in the pot was so lame. The guy is playing with scared money. Boo to you sir.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I'll include a little more reasonable range (removing A8, A7, A6, adding 53):Hand 0: 52.101% 45.70% 06.40% 1327 186.00 { AdTd }Hand 1: 47.899% 41.49% 06.40% 1205 186.00 { 44, AKs, ATs-A9s, A5s-A2s, J4s, 53s, AKo, ATo-A9o, A5o-A2o, J4o }

That's a pretty horrible misrepresentation of the situation.In what world is a loose/passive player as likely to shove top pair as he is a set/two pair?

[benhoug 0]

I continue to be astonished at how absolutely horrible Jamie Gold is at playing cards. He's really painful to watch - he's that bad.

[looshle 6]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

wtf????

[MoChipsPlese 0]

Meh, forget the biggest pots you guys are listing. I want to talk about Benyamines raise on the turn while holding the absolute nut hand. I thought this was stupid. He already sold sammy on him having the best hand here, and should have just called the turn, and then bet the river. Since when is re-raising while holding the nut hand a good idea? Sure he got called on the turn by sammy, but the hand was over right then and there and no action came to the river. IMO check call and make a wierd bet on the river in hopes of getting raised.

Since the only way to make anymore money in the hand likely is to bet there. 1. If Sammy has the flush or is drawing to the NUT flush he will pay off the raise. 2. If he is drawing to a less than nuts flush and another club comes on the river there is no more money to be made since Farha will likely lay down his less than nuts flush if Benjamine bets anything on the river. 3. If a club doesn't come on the river and Benjamine checks Farha will check. 4. If Benjamine just calls and then value bets the river Farha will know his set is beat. 5. The only way Benjamine makes more by smooth calling the turn IMO is if the board pairs. I am not a pro, but from what I have learned over the short time I've been playing this game is you want to build the pot if you have the nuts so that you can get paid off even more if your opponent is on a draw and hits his hand. I think Benjamine's only mistake is the size of his raise but you have to consider that he is playing Farha who likes to play big pots.I am not re-reading what I just typed because I am dizzy! I gotta go lie down.