Final Pca Mtt Satellite

[jsull 0]

So I donked my way into a satellite into the $650 Satellite to PCA. This hand changed it all for me. So I'd like to try to maybe talk about it, and learn from it, so I'd like real discussion here (more than just, "raise" "fold" "obv" "standard" kinda stuff).Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t200/t400(Ante: t25)8 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t7573UTG+1: t4226MP1: t5919 (SMART SOLID PLAYER, HAS MANY BIG CASHES)Hero: t12005CO: t8762 (HAS PLAYED VERY POORLY. LIMPING IN UTG WITH KJ, KT, CALLING OFF ALL CHIPS WITH Q9 at the 25/50 LEVEL BECAUSE HE FLOPPED A Q)Button: t2627 (LAG)SB: t16514BB: t16097 (TOP 20 ONLINE PLAYER, PLAYING TAG)Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with A K 2 folds, MP1 raises to t1200, Hero raises to t4000 My thinking is, MP1 has laid down hands earlier to a reraise, and I wanted to pick up this pot right now. This table has let re-raises stay 2 handed.YES NO MAYBE?????? why? What's your line?????? Answer this before we get to the next part. CO raises all-in t8737, 4 folds (including MP1), (pot was t14737)[/color].It's now t4737 to win t14737 (3.1 to 1).Do you call or do you fold???? Possible hands are AA, KK, QQ, AK. I can't put this guy on JJ even as bad as he's played.If I call I have 3515 in chips, If I fold I have 8252 with the blinds at 200/400/25. What do I do now????

[Sheiky 0]

Can you name said player?Also, how far are you away from getting a ticket?I'm not sure about re-raising PF, from his raise size my line of though is that he's commited to this hand, he's close to being the shortstack at your table and with the blinds at 400, i think a 3*bb raise at this level means he's taking this to the felt if you re-raise him. I prefer flat calling and taking the flop with (hopefully) position on him, i watched a pokerxfactor video from Jon Turner before where this situation occured and he flat called with kings because the raiser was short and would probably make a move at the flop, granted every situation is different but i'm more inclined to flat call here (though i notice he acctualy folded).Tough decision after the CO shoves, if this was a normal tournament and from your description of him, i'm probably going to call here. You're getting 3-1 and you're 3-1 even if he has kings, if you win you'd have a bigstack(very useful in sattelites) and if you lose it's a bummer but you can still fight you're way back.This is very dependent on how far away from getting a ticket you are though.

[dtblizz 0]

You have him pegged as a donk that overvalues hands. I think AQ has to be included in that range, as well as jj and maybe even 1010. I think your reraise is fine though probably too big as I think you have committed yourself to calling this all in. What is not included is your image at the table? Have you reraised at all yet?Sheiky is also correct about how far you are from a ticket, how many get tickets and where you will be if you fold?What has the Villain shown down after raising preflop? has he reraised preflop?If villain does not understand satellite play then it is very possible he is shoving almost any medium pair as well as AQ+. Calling or folding really depends on where that puts your in terms of getting a seat. If you call and win a race will you be pretty much guaranteed a seat? Also, if you call and lose you are not out. You still have 3500 chips left and a chance to chip up with some all ins and maybe getting lucky in another race.As played, with no further info, I think you are priced in against the donk. Donk = wider range than aa, kk, qq and ak though a donk will have those hands sometimes.

[gobears 0]

As others have said, how far from the bubble would be nice to know but I'll assume that we're still pretty far away.I raise to 3600, not much different from your raise. You want to pick up the pot right there and you don't want to let anybody behind you think that it would be a great time for a squeeze play. After the shove, you have to call. You have pot odds and are only in bad shape against two hands. Your description of villain is that he's not a good player so his range is pretty wide.

[LJB723 0]

From everything you've said; MP1's ability to laydown to a re-raise, table respecting re-raises enough to let them go HU and the CO being a loon, I like your play. Provided you haven't been r/r light then AK is a perfectly acceptable hand to do it with and should get respect, proven by MP1's fold (although probably assisted by CO's push).You have to call for the reasons already mentioned. I'd gues you were 50/50 vs villain and we know we have to get lucky in a few of these to get anywhere in a tournament. Win and you can coast past the bubble, lose and you're not crippled.Be interesting to see the results.

[Sheiky 0]

The CO has AA no?

[LJB723 0]

The CO has AA no?

No reason why not I suppose...But given what we know about CO and his apparent maniac tendancies I say we have to hope he doesn't have AA. If we were told CO was a complete rock who had never r/r and never been AI, yeh AA looks like the hand we're against. But against an active player this has to be a call with AK IMO.

[throwemaway 0]

It totally depends how far you are from getting the ticket and the average stack

[jsull 0]

hi guys thanks for the responses.A) We are nowhere near tickets yet. 634 started, and there's 32 seats, and there are approximately 250 players left at this point.B) I do not wish to name any of the players here. I gave specific examples from the player in the CO to try to show the kinds of plays I'd seen shown down.C) I have re-raised only once, on what I intended to be only a steal from the Big Blind when I was shorter than average at 100/200 blinds (2 levels ago, approx 40 min). I had about 3k in chips, and there were 4 limpers in the pot. With AK I shoved in that spot and all folded.D) For this tournament, I was 14% VPIP, 6.90% PreFlop Raise, AF of 1.19 (0.80 Preflop, 1.75 Flop, 2.50 Turn, Inf river) over 174 hands. I'd say I was viewed as Tight Passive maybe? I check/called in some spots that were very big (J9 making two pair vs Kings). Most of my chips were made postflop without showdown.E) CO Villian's PokerTracker stats: 174 hands 28.16 VPIP, PF Raise 12.64, AF 0.91 (.69/1.09/1/3.50) Gobears, I was thinking along your lines there, that I don't want anybody to try to think this is a time for a squeeze play. This seems like a pot I can pick up. If I call the 1200, and CO still shoves, I can justify laying this down, but what if he just re-raises me the same way that the original raiser did.Again thanks for the discussion fellas this is helping me try to figure this out.