River Bluff 5 10 Nl 6 Max

[Roberts2003 0]

The villain is WiShIwUzThErE. I have him at 30.13/17.63/2.75 over 312 hands. I had been at 31.02/21.05/2.35 over that same span. He seems to be a good thinking TAG. I just made big call down at another table with 4th pair and he had air. I haven't shown down any bluffs yet. What do you guys think of river play? How often do people double barrel the turn?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($958.50)UTG ($1067.50)Hero ($1000)CO ($1329)Button ($1728)SB ($1276)Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, K. 1 fold, Hero raises to $35, CO calls $35, 3 folds.Flop: ($85) 8, 7, A(2 players)Hero bets $65, CO calls $65.Turn: ($215) 2(2 players)Hero checks, CO checks.River: ($215) A(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero raises to $450

[Zach6668 513]

I don't understand what you're trying to represent here, given the play in all 4 betting rounds.

[Dictius 0]

I don't understand what you're trying to represent here, given the play in all 4 betting rounds.

I think he is trying to represent something like AT?Hit the Ace so bet the flop, uh oh I got called he might have a better Ace I'll check the turn, there's the third Ace on the river its unlikely he has a better Ace now, I'll check raise?Hmm the check raise is the part that doesn't add up I think, maybe leading the river might have been better.He is probably calling with an Ace getting 2.7:1, so how sure can you be he doesn't have an Ace?

[Roberts2003 0]

on the river when he bet, i almost flat called cause there were some draws that missed. That being said, I thought he could be value betting middle pair which is why I made the play. If I put him on an A, I would absolutely not make this play ever.

[Zach6668 513]

Yeah, I don't think he has the ace either, but I just mean, our hand looks nothing like an ace, so a thinking player would probably be more likely to make a loose river call here, you think?

[throwemaway 0]

Yeah I would have to think we would value town an ace on the river here and not take a C/R line, so I think he might call pretty light here

[Naismith 0]

As I told Roberts via IM, I think his line only makes sense for AA or a complete bluff. I would always triple barrel this hand, though.EDIT: ...if I put my opponent on a draw, as I do here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

As I told Roberts via IM, I think his line only makes sense for AA or a complete bluff. I would always triple barrel this hand, though.EDIT: ...if I put my opponent on a draw, as I do here.

When he asked me what his hand looked like, I qualified it as:A bluff or a big hand (set or a good Ace) that missed a checkraise on the turn.I think he can legitimately play any hand like AT+ like this, although I'd be more comfortable doing it with AJ+. Then I also told him that if he was asking me about it, it means he was likely bluffing (he showed me the HH and asked what his range was) and got called by something he shouldn't have been called by.I think that K9 is worthy of a c/c here since he's beating a lot of the villain's range. I don't think the villain ever has air here or the ace. If he had air and floated the flop, he'd have bet the turn. If he had a weak ace, he'd have bet the turn as well. I think most of the villain's range here is made up of draws or some kind of middle pair. I think Roberts can legitimately have a set or an AJ type hand here A LOT and I'd go for a river c/r with it too since there didn't seem to be much sense in betting becuase too much of the villain's range is not strong enough to call a bet I think.All that being said, I think our hand is more than strong enough for a c/c here.

[CobaltBlue 662]

What draws are you guys talking about? I see T9s and 65s.I'll bet or c/r this turn a good portion of the time against villains that like to float or call light IP. I usually like to have a history of similar lines before doing that though. As for this particular villain...you said you recently called down his bluff...I think he'd be reluctant to bet as a bluff or with anything he's willing to fold.

[Acid_Knight 2]

What draws are you guys talking about? I see T9s and 65s.I'll bet or c/r this turn a good portion of the time against villains that like to float or call light IP. I usually like to have a history of similar lines before doing that though. As for this particular villain...you said you recently called down his bluff...I think he'd be reluctant to bet as a bluff or with anything he's willing to fold.

I wonder if the converter screwed up. When he showed me the hand and we discussed it, I'm almost positive that the flop was A98 rainbow and he had 2nd pair. Otherwise none of my comments make sense.Roberts? Didn't you have 2nd pair here?

[Zach6668 513]

I've never seen the converter screw up the specific cards.Pot size, position, etc, yes, but never something that they're just pulling directly from the HH, without any interpretation.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I've never seen the converter screw up the specific cards.Pot size, position, etc, yes, but never something that they're just pulling directly from the HH, without any interpretation.

I'm just saying that we had a whole dialogue back and forth on AIM about the hand. I kept saying that he should just call cause he had 2nd pair, top kicker and that he could beat all other 9s that the villain might be betting with. I mean, we talked for like 5 or 10 minutes and if he hadn't had a pair, nothing I would've said could've made sense and since he didn't call me on it, I'm just wondering if something happened when he posted the hand.

[GabeTheKid 0]

oops...wrong thread

[Roberts2003 0]

no i had K9 high. There is still merit to calling, but i think that a CR on the river looks strong and can get mid pairs to fold. He tanked, timed down, and called with 10 10.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Yeah, I don't think he has the ace either, but I just mean, our hand looks nothing like an ace, so a thinking player would probably be more likely to make a loose river call here, you think?

What draws are you guys talking about? I see T9s and 65s.I'll bet or c/r this turn a good portion of the time against villains that like to float or call light IP. I usually like to have a history of similar lines before doing that though. As for this particular villain...you said you recently called down his bluff...I think he'd be reluctant to bet as a bluff or with anything he's willing to fold.

as posted above. I have similar feelings. Your betting makes zero sense. so your bluff looks like a bluff.With the slight chance that u have AA, i think villain probably talks himself out of folding. "if you have AA, oh well"and we know any JJ-KK wont be c/r this river.

[E-Cart6 0]

I doubt he'll believe you have an ace. I think he'll call with any 2 pair/3 of a kind obviously.

[Acid_Knight 2]

no i had K9 high. There is still merit to calling, but i think that a CR on the river looks strong and can get mid pairs to fold. He tanked, timed down, and called with 10 10.

I think there's little merit in calling here from a straight up EV standpoint, but metagame might work in your favor.When I talked to you about the hand, I really thought you had 2nd pair.I still like the play.

[7s7c 0]

Playing live and seeing action, it's a lot easier for me to characterize the river c/r. I think there's a good chance you can pick up whether the river c/r was predetermined immediately after missed value on the turn or if it was not pre-conceived and villain realizes he can't showdown his hand and/or thinks the river bet looks weak enough to c/r.