digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 The Laffs traded Rask for Raycroft.Then had to trade draft picks to get Toskala.Then made Clemmensen the starter in the AHL.Then bought out Raycroft.Then signed Cujo as a backup.LOLOLOLOLOL Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 The point I am making his he isnt a sure shot Vezina winner like everyone made him out to be. The Leafs didnt get fleeced on the trade.I hope Rask never plays another NHL game again.You have to be kidding right? Rask looked really good in the games he played for the big club last year. He got wins in his first 2 games against Toronto, and Philly (ok Toronto wasn't the greatest team in the world but a win's a win), then he got forced into playing the overtime against Jersey because Thomas got injured at the end of the game. You can't fault a guy for coming in cold to a 4 on 4 where Boston wasn't very good, and giving up a goal. Then he gave up 4 goals to Montreal who had the B's number all year long. He'll be back for sure, and take the Bruins all the way! Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 You have to be kidding right? Rask looked really good in the games he played for the big club last year. He got wins in his first 2 games against Toronto, and Philly (ok Toronto wasn't the greatest team in the world but a win's a win), then he got forced into playing the overtime against Jersey because Thomas got injured at the end of the game. You can't fault a guy for coming in cold to a 4 on 4 where Boston wasn't very good, and giving up a goal. Then he gave up 4 goals to Montreal who had the B's number all year long. He'll be back for sure, and take the Bruins all the way!how about the stellar 35th best Save percentage in the AHL??HOw about that sucka??answer that one..lolLets hope Kobasew has a big year..I am thinking 31 goals 35 assists 66 pts..ONE TIME Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Season Team Lge GP G A PIM Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct 2007-08 Providence Bruins AHL 45 0 2 8 2570 100 3 1 2.33 27 13 2 955 0.905 I don't think these are bad numbers at all for a 21 year old goaltender. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Season Team Lge GP G A PIM Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct 2007-08 Providence Bruins AHL 45 0 2 8 2570 100 3 1 2.33 27 13 2 955 0.905 I don't think these are bad numbers at all for a 21 year old goaltender.We will see..I predict he wont amount to much in the NHL.. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 We will see..I predict he wont amount to much in the NHL..Well with how good you are at predicting, I'd say you saying that makes him a lock to be a solid #1 some day. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 . At the time of the trade with Boston the Leafs felt Rask was a head case and felt Pogge was the better prospect. Where did you get THAT info?????????????????????????? LOL LOL LOL Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Oh, and btw..... what you're missing is that Raycroft was offered around the NHL by the bruins for NOTHING..... they had three goalies at the time and Raycroft was firmly in last place in that competition. Then JFJ turned up offering a legit prospect for a guy (Raycroft) that could have been had for future consideration....... spin THAT move into a positive.. Link to post Share on other sites
mcpickl 0 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Not true. Unless you have private phone records of the 30 GMS...Raycroft's stock was very high when the Leafs got him.Also the point is irrevelant. The idea that Rask was a sure fired NHLer is way off.Cmon Serge, you cant really believe this.Raycrofts stock was in the toilet after a hideous year in Boston.and even if Rask doesnt pan out, its still an awful trade as Rasks value was considerably higher at the time of the trade than Raycrofts was.Give it up and move on sir. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted July 26, 2008 Author Share Posted July 26, 2008 Serge don't fight this battle, you've never been more wrong. First of all, goalies rarely play in the NHL at age 21 on a regular basis, they take longer to develop than any other position player. Secondly, even if Rask never played another game the decision to trade him for Rask was an awful move for the team. Boston had three goalies as Gruven mentioned. That means they were in a position of desperation to move one. You could get Raycroft for very little. If the Leafs needed a temporary fix in net until either Pogge or Rask developed into an NHL goalie they should have signed Joseph, Burke, or any other FA goalie available for the short term. The bad habit management has is that they have always undervalued the importance of youth and draft picks. Dump Rask, give 1st round picks away, sign aging veterans to no movement contracts. Think about the powerful position the Leafs would be in right now if they had both Pogge and Rask on the farm? Lastly, the FA signings they've made this year are further proof that they just don't get it. Instead of signing middle of the road players to raise the level of the team to sub mediocre, forget that route, and let the core young players play. You don't HAVE to be at the high end of the cap, especially of you know that the team can't be a contender. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 BOSTON -- Bruins goalie Tuukka Rask stopped 35 shots for his first NHL shutuout in his fourth start and Marc Savard scored to give Boston a 1-0 victory over the New York Rangers on Saturday. Rask, playing because of an injury to Manny Fernandez that forced Tim Thomas to play the previous eight games, played in his first NHL game since Dec. 6, 2007, and recorded his first win since Nov. 26, 2007. He raised his NHL record to 3-1-1 and lifted the Eastern Conference-leading Bruins to 7-1-2 over their last 10 games. Savard deflected a slap shot by defenseman Dennis Wideman out of midair and into the net with 22.2 seconds left in the second period. Rask then stood up under the pressure, making 15 stops in the third period. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 w00t! Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The title of this thread is especially awesome today. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Just an update to this thread.Tukko Rask after 4 years in the NHL(5th now) still has only 40 wins to this point. Sure he is behind Thomas but its irrelevant.Andrew Raycroft has 113 wins in the NHL.More relevant info is that James Reimer has 24 wins in less than one calendar year with the Leafs.300 wins for Rask, laughable.Was the trade bad for the Leafs? Probably wasnt great. But Reimer, Gustavvson and Scrivens are better goalies than Rask IMO.Go ahead argue the fact but if I was to play goalie for the Bruins I m sure I would have Rask stats as well. Sure the Bruins won the cup, but they would of won the Cup with Jiri Crha as the back up as well.Rask last year was 11-14-2 on a team that won the Cup and got 103 pts in the regular season. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 If anyone wants to bet me $100 on Rask winning 300games and a Cup in his lifetime, I'm all game.I am never betting against Arp. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I am never betting against Arp.Its hard to interpet this prop...Would Arp have lost since Rask won the Cup? I think 300 wins is pretty much out of the question. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Its hard to interpet this prop...Would Arp have lost since Rask won the Cup? I think 300 wins is pretty much out of the question.Just the fact that Arp had the Stanley Cup on Rask's resume 4 years ago. I would have thought the Cup win is harder than 300 wins. Amazing.300 wins is out of reach for sure because he is not getting the opportunity (maybe he is not that good?). 40 wins right now and he is 24. Still a very slight chance. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Just the fact that Arp had the Stanley Cup on Rask's resume 4 years ago. I would have thought the Cup win is harder than 300 wins. Amazing.300 wins is out of reach for sure because he is not getting the opportunity (maybe he is not that good?). 40 wins right now and he is 24. Still a very slight chance.I think you are mis interpreting his bet prop..Or maybe I am...He said that he would bet AGAINST Rask winning 300 games and a Stanley Cup.Could be wrong..Regardless..Arp is pretty much a hockey genius. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I think you are mis interpreting his bet prop..Or maybe I am...He said that he would bet AGAINST Rask winning 300 games and a Stanley Cup.Could be wrong..Regardless..Arp is pretty much a hockey genius.Yes I understand the 300 wins AND a Cup.Just for him to throw it out 4 years ago is amazing.Arp, you are off my contacts for betting. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Good news Wayne, you can keep betting with me. My first reaction was that my offer was on Rask getting to 300wins, and winning a Cup, because frankly, I have always liked Rask. But then I read the start of the thread, and I realized I was actually arguing against Rask. The Cup thing, thats a fluke. And if you note, I make a post later that "he" has to win the Cup. Whatever that means. lolI think we can all agree he wasnt a factor in that win.The 300 wins....that was the crux of my bet. Its easy to look at a young goalie, and say, wow, he looks amazing. But so few actually pan out like you envision, and 300 wins is a big deal. Now, he may still get it, cause Boston is looking good, and Thomas is getting old, but would anyone really bet on it? Nope.So, if someone had taken my offer 4 years ago, Id be watching Rask now, and hoping he doesnt get another 260wins in 8-10years? Note: I have little consistency in my arguments. Many times, I like to play devils advocate. In this thread, I just thought it was an overblown reaction to Rask beating the Leafs in 1 game. Sure the Leafs were idiots in making the deal, but its not like you can guarantee Rasks success. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 My first reaction was that my offer was on Rask getting to 300wins, and winning a Cup, because frankly, I have always liked Rask. But then I read the start of the thread, and I realized I was actually arguing against Rask.Hmmnn. So you were against Rask. Nice try you are on my do not bet with list. Danny G maybe on that list soon too. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I'd be very surprised if Rask doesn't get 300 wins. He's a great goalie, would be a #1 on a lot of other teams. 2 years ago he almost led us into the 3rd round of the playoffs (we'd still like to forget about that series) after stealing the #1 job from Thomas. Last year his win/loss record was a bit skewed because despite playing well, he didn't get any run support from the offense. This year he's still looking great, unfortunately he doesn't get much playing time behind the best goalie in the league. After next year when Thomas' contract is up and Rask becomes our #1 you'll all see! BTW, lifetime NHL stats:GP W L T OT SO GA SA Sv% GAA Min 88 40 31 0 9 8 184 2,470 .926 2.23 4,946 Very good numbers for a young goalie. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I love it when we can get Ray to post. :)You makes some very good points, and yes, it looks like he's gonna be #1 in Boston for a long time once Thomas is done. But you never know. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 betting against any 1st year goalie to get 300 wins in his career is always going to be a good bet. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 There is NO way Rask gets 300 wins...NO WAY..No way Sorry Ray,Please come back another day.Boston won the cup now its doneYou had your day in the sun. Link to post Share on other sites
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