Advice: Online Play As Well As Live Play

[arpinology 0]

I need something to nudge me to the next level; all of this discussion about bankroll management worries me though.i have read/listened to too many bankroll management discussions and am cautious about my venture into high-limits. let me explain.i play in a weekly home game, $10 buy in freeze-out, and lately, i have been doing fairly poor in that avenue, but i blame that on just poor luck. usually, i am the bubble boy, and just get eliminated on a drunk players poor call. overall, im up as far as winning, i have just been put in poor spots/unlucky. i dont mind losing though. i play on FTP in $2 sng's. When i had a friend transfer me 10 dollars, i literally slayed the 6-handed sng's which raised my bankroll from 10 to 70 in 3 weeks of casual play(on average, 2 games a day.) i hit a period where A) i was focusing on other games{stud hi and omaha hi/lo} and had a very bad run of cards for hold'em. i was studying these games, hardly playing them on Full Tilt. from what i can guess, that dropped my bankroll down to 1/3 of its highest count, and slowly, i would get out-drawn/out-played/straight up unlucky.i went broke playing heads up omaha hi $2 sng's, so i decided to put $50 into my Full Tilt account. i have been losing mostly, with the occasional 2nd place finish. I have been reading/re-reading/studying/re-studying and, most importantly, reflecting on the situations where i go bust. i believe i am a good player, and this is evidenced by some sick plays made, by my above average understanding of hold'em. should i goto $5 sng's and try my luck there? i am leaning towards that because, overall, i do not mind going bust and then re-depositing. honestly, i am sick of the awful beats by $1-2 sng's and i feel that $5 sng's may be the way to go. anybody experience this same nonsense? is it just a bad run of cards? i just need....encouragement. i have decided that i am playing a $5 sng tomorrow though. no matter what.thanks for any suggestions. Eric

[pokerinc 0]

no more heads up.If you want to learn the game. First learn the basics, aka full ring. Then progress down as you get more experience playing the player and not the cards.HU you need to understand the types of players and situations that happen. But it's much higher variance and takes more skill. Plus beating the rake in sngs HU alone...not for a beginner.Learn full ring, then six max, then heads up.B/R management. Don't ignore it.Yeah the suckouts are awful, yes they never fold. They're like a dartboard, learn how to throw well before moving on.Basics man, basics.

[RabidTortuga 0]

i play in a weekly home game, $10 buy in freeze-out, and lately, i have been doing fairly poor in that avenue, but i blame that on just poor luck. usually, i am the bubble boy, and just get eliminated on a drunk players poor call. overall, im up as far as winning, i have just been put in poor spots/unlucky. i dont mind losing though. i play on FTP in $2 sng's. When i had a friend transfer me 10 dollars, i literally slayed the 6-handed sng's which raised my bankroll from 10 to 70 in 3 weeks of casual play(on average, 2 games a day.) i hit a period where A) i was focusing on other games{stud hi and omaha hi/lo} and had a very bad run of cards for hold'em. i was studying these games, hardly playing them on Full Tilt. from what i can guess, that dropped my bankroll down to 1/3 of its highest count, and slowly, i would get out-drawn/out-played/straight up unlucky.i went broke playing heads up omaha hi $2 sng's, so i decided to put $50 into my Full Tilt account. i have been losing mostly, with the occasional 2nd place finish. I have been reading/re-reading/studying/re-studying and, most importantly, reflecting on the situations where i go bust. i believe i am a good player, and this is evidenced by some sick plays made, by my above average understanding of hold'em. should i goto $5 sng's and try my luck there? i am leaning towards that because, overall, i do not mind going bust and then re-depositing. honestly, i am sick of the awful beats by $1-2 sng's and i feel that $5 sng's may be the way to go. anybody experience this same nonsense? is it just a bad run of cards? i just need....encouragement. i have decided that i am playing a $5 sng tomorrow though. no matter what.thanks for any suggestions. Eric

The first thing you need to do is own your results. Yes, it is possible to go on a downswing. However, to claim an above-average understanding of hold-em and say you are a good player when the only evidence you have of this is one good run at $2 Sit-n-go's is a bit silly. Sick plays do not make you a good player. Relying on them as the highlights of your poker experience thus far may even indicate that you are a bad player who got lucky for a while.The second thing you need to do is practice bankroll management. If you do not have some plan in place to prevent you from going broke, you will eventually go broke. That doesn't always mean you need 100 buy-ins (although that would help if you are playing heads-up). It does mean you need a plan to drop down at a certain point and move up at a certain point. Even if you drop down at 15 buy-ins and move up at 25 buy-ins, at least you are lowering your risk of going broke by playign lower stakes when you do go on a bad run for a while.Finally, you need to realize that you will not be able to beat better players if you can't beat terrible players. If you have a solid bankroll management plan and stick to it, have patience and play well, you should be able to kill games at the $2 level over the long run. if you cannot, there are fundamental flaws in your game.If I had to guess by your post, I'd say you are trying too hard to outplay everyone. It doesn't make sense to make "sick moves" on players who have no idea what you are doing. Just play solid cards with a straightforward abc strategy and steal the blinds now and then from weaker players, and you should crush the lowest limit games.I can almost promise you that if you play with 10 buy-ins at any level, you will go broke sooner or later.

[jmbreslin 0]

If I had to guess by your post, I'd say you are trying too hard to outplay everyone. It doesn't make sense to make "sick moves" on players who have no idea what you are doing. Just play solid cards with a straightforward abc strategy and steal the blinds now and then from weaker players, and you should crush the lowest limit games.

Bingo. I play the small stakes as well and it took me a little while to realize that much of what is written about NLHE SnG strategy actually doesn't apply to the lower limits because those players don't play the way they're supposed to play. And you certainly can't apply what you see on television to these tournies. Playing tricky and aggressive and making "sick moves" will kill you at the lower limits.The worst thing you can do is get frustrated and move up to higher stakes. That's a great way to blow your bankroll. You need to focus on figuring out how to beat the lowest level first. The secret, as Tortuga said, is to play tight, smart, disciplined, ABC poker. Do that and you'll be beating the $2's in no time. Then you can think about moving up to the next level.

[TravisG 0]

the thread openers problem reminds me of me. i used to try to make sick plays and read my opponents perfect and raise with nothing and then cry about them calling with a-x high and so on. in low sngs you basically just have to wait for a donk who pays you off, it will happen.

[hblask 1]

i do not mind going bust and then re-depositing.

I would just add, that if you have a bottomless pit of refill money, then your "bankroll" is infinite, and you don't need to worry about it. Having said that, what the other people said about your ability (or lack thereof) to be $2 SnGs is right on the money, so listen to them.

[tj9422- 0]

I am working on my game also...... I have posted a topic on bankroll you may want to take a look at it.You seem not to have a plan and are jumping from game to game..I think you should pick a game and learn it well. Stay with limit, no-limit, pot limit ring/cash game on-line to build a good bank roll. Tournaments my be your game If you can make your ROI. then go with tourny's......A book that made me look at poker in a better light was Mark Blade, Professional Poker The Essential guide to playing for a living.the book shows a good light on the poker player and what he needs to put in place to make the game work for them. weather for a play who just wants a fun game or for the player who wants to be a pro. take a look at it.......Good luck dude , if you want to have a long poker life that gives to you instead of you giving to the game get a plain and stick to it.......

[arpinology 0]

thanks for replies. after i read my post, i started thinking along the lines of what is posted thereafter.

[trystero 0]

The only reason for why you may want to avoid micro limits is the increased rake - not "bad calls."

[Gene zzz 0]

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[jmkiser 0]

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[David_Nicoson 1]

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[SpiderGuard 0]

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This needed special attention. Well played sir.