I Really Didn't Want To Be All In Here

[bdc30 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $51.70UTG+1: $79.40CO: $50.70Button: $53SB: $72.70Hero: $52.95Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8 7 7 K UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.Flop: 2 7 4 ($2.5, 5 players)SB bets $2.5, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $7.5, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.Turn: J ($25, 3 players)SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $25, SB raises to $50, Hero calls all-in $44.95, CO calls all-in $17.7.

[KoRnholio 2]

Your posts confuse me. Why don't you want to be all in with the (now 2nd) nuts? Especially when the chance of those 2 flop raisors having JJxx is like 1%. Sure someone *could* have 3568 with hearts, but on the turn when the straight/flush doesn't hit you are golden.If the turn was an offsuit 3 and the action was the same, one of them probably has 56xx so you could fold.

[bdc30 0]

Just seems like a sucker hand right from the get-go. Check the big blind, flop a set of 7's, have no redraw, there's a straight draw and a flush draw out there, and there's a shitload of action, so I'm probably dodging, well....about 3/4 of the deck here. Should I have been shovelling the flop?

[KoRnholio 2]

No you played it fine. Sure K877 single suited is a junky hand that I would just barely want to complete the SB with, but this is a dream flop for you.On draw heavy boards against multiple opponents it's often nice to see a blank (ie anything 9 or higher than isn't a heart) or the board pair before committing a lot of money. Not raising also makes it more likely that one of both of these guys will keep pumping the pot with their bottom set/big draw since they don't put you on top set.

[iggymcfly 0]

You got just about the best possible result in that you got all-in with the near nuts, but if you regularly play your hands this way, it's going to be impossible to win. When you have a good hand like top set or middle set or even bottom set, you need to raise your opponents to get money in the pot and get paid by worse hands. This is how you make money in poker. Not by the once in a lifetime when you flop the NFD + a wrap + a set and have an absolute lock on everything or when you flop quads and there's nothing anyone can pay you off with, but when you flop a good hand against a slightly worse hand.When SB bets the flop, you should raise because you want to get money in the pot. When CO raises, you should reraise because you want to get money in the pot. When you get a blank turn, you should bet because you want to get money in the pot. What if you smooth-call the flop and a heart comes off on the turn and you and SB check it down and you find out that he had a set of fours? You just cost yourself $50 for no reason. In fact, if SB does have a worse set, there are 21 cards that can kill your action. That's nearly half the deck! No way can you afford to wait for the turn here. What if you're up against the FD from one opponent and a wrap from the other and the turn pairs the board? You just gave $100 away by playing like a passive little bitch. What if the turn's a heart, and you lose the player with the wrap and then have to fold when you could have gotten your money in profitably before? Seriously there's no benefit to playing this passively.What's your aggression factor without PF numbers included? Because anything under 2 pretty much means you're playing really fishy postflop. Anyone I see who has an aggression factor under 2, I just relentlessly hammer. I don't vary my play at all. I pot my draws on the flop and then pot them again on the turn. I get tons of folds, and basically make the heart of my profit off of those kind of players. If you don't want to be one, you need to be hammering draw-heavy boards when you think you're ahead, not shriveling up on them.

[simo_8ball 1]

^^What he said.I especially like "You just gave $100 away by playing like a passive little bitch." That's a quality phrase.

[ahosang 0]

Very blunt(and correct) from iggy. The thing is that even if your initial flop call is too careful(hell, i've played it the soft way like that before with some form of reasoning in my head), when CO raises, there is absolutely no further logic why you wouldn't then shove. There's 25bb there. If they fold their draws and let you have the medium size pot - very goodIf they call with draws when stacks are committed - goodish(you're never wb equity wise)If they call with worse hand like lower set - very good. CO did you a favour by raising and you didn't take it.He gave you the soup, but you didn't want to eat it with the spoon - you tried to eat it with a fork...

[iggymcfly 0]

^^What he said.I especially like "You just gave $100 away by playing like a passive little bitch." That's a quality phrase.

Yeah, I remember specifically liking that little phrase a lot when I put it down. Glad to see someone appreciates my verbal skills.

[bdc30 0]

CO had 44, no straight draw, no flush draw....SB had JJ56