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Here is the situation. It is 9 handed and there are roughly 6 good players at the table. Game has just started so the avg stack is about 120. Hero has 140 and villian has 150ish.Hero is dealt A10 UTG and calls, there are four other calls, the SB completes and the BB checks (Pot is $16)Flop A 10 8SB & BB Check, Hero checks?, everyone else checks. (Pot $16)Turn 7SB & BB Check, Hero bets 10? folds to SB who makes it 40. Hero?SB has made a few standard raises PF and has shown AA and then JJ. Seems to be a solid player as I have seen everyone respecting his raises. this is our first pot together.

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Okay so no more A 10 UTG...I can do that.Since I did play it, I should bet the flop? Here is the reason I wanted to post this. The hand played out like this. I called the 30, SB checks in the dark the river is an 8 and I checked behind to see that he had 78 for the full house on the river. Now we were analyzing about this hand and he was saying well you should have bet on the flop because then he would have folded, well then I would have won $16, but is it worth it to sometimes check to have your opponent catch up to you a little so that you can win more. He was telling me that basically any card except another A if i push he would call because he thought i had an A with no kicker.I just wasn't sure if checking in that spot could indeed give you better implied odds than just betting the top 2.FWIW I tried it the other way a few hands later. i was in the BB with Q2 flop was Q2X I bet and everyone folded so I was debating how to effectively play two pair on the flop.

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Raise with AT UTG at a 6 player table surely?EDIT: mis-read, thought you said there were 6 players in total, not 9 with 6 good ones.

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What is the standard to bring? 100bb's?
1/2 is a $200 buyin game2/4 is a $400 buyin game5/10 is a $1000 buyin gameYeah. 100BB is a must. Have another couple of hundred available in case you lose the hand.Bet the flop here. With that many opponents, you don't want to let anyone with KJ or KQ or something spike a straight on you for free. If you bet and everyone folds, nobody was really gonna pay you anyway. Give them a chance to make a mistake. Bet the flop.Yeah, AT UTG is a no-no at a full table, especially if there are good players there.
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Okay so no more A 10 UTG...I can do that.Since I did play it, I should bet the flop? Here is the reason I wanted to post this. The hand played out like this. I called the 30, SB checks in the dark the river is an 8 and I checked behind to see that he had 78 for the full house on the river. Now we were analyzing about this hand and he was saying well you should have bet on the flop because then he would have folded, well then I would have won $16, but is it worth it to sometimes check to have your opponent catch up to you a little so that you can win more. He was telling me that basically any card except another A if i push he would call because he thought i had an A with no kicker.I just wasn't sure if checking in that spot could indeed give you better implied odds than just betting the top 2.FWIW I tried it the other way a few hands later. i was in the BB with Q2 flop was Q2X I bet and everyone folded so I was debating how to effectively play two pair on the flop.
With that flop you have to bet.On the first one, it depends, but with so many players in the pot i would bet.Think of it another way, if you had no hand here and were thinking of bluffing, would you? Of course not, there are 6 other players in the pot, you're never getting them to all fold on the flop, so why not bet when you have a good hand and get money in the pot from people with worse hands?
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FWIW I tried it the other way a few hands later. i was in the BB with Q2 flop was Q2X I bet and everyone folded so I was debating how to effectively play two pair on the flop.
I'm going to lunch but I just want to say that there are two pair and then there are two pairThings that matter with two pair: board textureread on villainnumber of players at the flopwhich two pairwhat cards are the two pair
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Bet the flop. Shove the turn. Sit with more than 47BBs.
I never understood it, which is very comical. In these games theirs always a few that will try to be tricky in these tight/passive tables and check tp, and then donate all their chips on the turn/river because they gave another player a shot to hit their gut-shot/straight or even two pair.And these same players are the ones whining how "unlucky" they are. Not unlucky simply play bad. Its not the cards its the player.fold a-10 o utg. And if you hit 2 pair, Pot it! You only have urself to blame in regards to most of the "suck outs"btw find a better table if ur playing with rocks.
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While most of the advice here is good I think it missed the most obvious point.

It is 9 handed and there are roughly 6 good players at the table.
Either your assessment is off or you need a table change. There shouldn't be 6 good players at the table at this level.I assumed the buyins were small due to crazy CA small max buyins. The Commerce game in LA is 2/3 - $100 max buy in.
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Okay so no more A 10 UTG...I can do that.Since I did play it, I should bet the flop? Here is the reason I wanted to post this. The hand played out like this. I called the 30, SB checks in the dark the river is an 8 and I checked behind to see that he had 78 for the full house on the river. Now we were analyzing about this hand and he was saying well you should have bet on the flop because then he would have folded, well then I would have won $16, but is it worth it to sometimes check to have your opponent catch up to you a little so that you can win more. He was telling me that basically any card except another A if i push he would call because he thought i had an A with no kicker.I just wasn't sure if checking in that spot could indeed give you better implied odds than just betting the top 2.FWIW I tried it the other way a few hands later. i was in the BB with Q2 flop was Q2X I bet and everyone folded so I was debating how to effectively play two pair on the flop.
Bet the flop here like 100% of the time. Any ace is calling you. Past results with two pair don't matter. Bet this hand. Hands where it is Queen high vs hands where you have two pair with an Ace on the board are completely different too. Everybody plays aces, not every plays random queens.
What is the standard to bring? 100bb's?
Yes. 100 bb's is the standard. If you like to play shortie and shove some coinflips to get a full stack, buy in for 50bbs - but that is really more or less tournament poker than cash poker.
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Okay so no more A 10 UTG...I can do that.Since I did play it, I should bet the flop? Here is the reason I wanted to post this. The hand played out like this. I called the 30, SB checks in the dark the river is an 8 and I checked behind to see that he had 78 for the full house on the river. Now we were analyzing about this hand and he was saying well you should have bet on the flop because then he would have folded, well then I would have won $16, but is it worth it to sometimes check to have your opponent catch up to you a little so that you can win
You want to bet this flop in this spot 100% of the time. put your 10 dollar bet in here.then a 40 on the turn.You want to get called by any Ace, bottom 2, any crappy draws... you have no idea what card is going to help you get value, and what will F'uk you.if someone is sitting with a gut shot and the 8 or 7 or whatever it was gives them the straight, well you can forget about your value now.in the long run, trying to squeeze an extra 20 isnt worth it, because your loss is much worse, 16 dollar pot - your next 10, and then your next call when you're beat, which in this spot is 30 more, making your total investment post flop 40. and a grand total of 56 dollars if you just took it on the flop.
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yeah... you're hand's no where near strong enough to check in this scenario...sure, if you have 9hTh 5 way pot on a 6c 7h 8h board, sure, check... no problem...a bet is required on this flop in this scenario like 100% of the time... results show it would have booked you $16 proffit instead of $40 loss...btw where do you play? i see you live in SD, i've heard oceans eleven actually has legitimate BB structure for their cash games... ie $100 NL is 1/1 bb... then like you can buy $300 @ the 2/3 table... all the LA casino's suck for BBz unless you're playing higher... i think 5/10 & 10 / 20 they take off the cap...

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yeah... you're hand's no where near strong enough to check in this scenario...sure, if you have 9hTh 5 way pot on a 6c 7h 8h board, sure, check... no problem...a bet is required on this flop in this scenario like 100% of the time... results show it would have booked you $16 proffit instead of $40 loss...btw where do you play? i see you live in SD, i've heard oceans eleven actually has legitimate BB structure for their cash games... ie $100 NL is 1/1 bb... then like you can buy $300 @ the 2/3 table... all the LA casino's suck for BBz unless you're playing higher... i think 5/10 & 10 / 20 they take off the cap...
this hand was played at the Village Club in Chula Vista. It's a fun little spot but there are usually only 1-2 NL tables open and the players are pretty decent for the game being spread....but there are some MAJOR donks about just wanting to give their money away
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this hand was played at the Village Club in Chula Vista. It's a fun little spot but there are usually only 1-2 NL tables open and the players are pretty decent for the game being spread....but there are some MAJOR donks about just wanting to give their money away
All the more reason to bet for value. Against quality players and idiots alike you should be betting for value, especially if you flop top two.I took a flop like this that has stuck with me for my whole poker career when I first started playing live 1/2 NL. I had AT on the button, and limped after a few other people. Blinds did too. Flop came out AT5r. Some EP player that just sat down bet out something like $10 into 12 and some guy in the middle called. I raised instantly when it got back to me to $40. EP called, and the other guy folded. The turn was a Q and he bet again, $25. At this point I should have realized what was he was doing, but I was kind of stupid at the time and shoved. He turned over 55 after some thought and I puked. But results don't matter. I didn't like the money going in on the turn because AQ beat me, but I wasn't folding that flop ever, and I raised it for value against two opponents because it was highly unlikely anyone had me beat and I wanted their money. You just have to bet those hands.
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I assumed the buyins were small due to crazy CA small max buyins. The Commerce game in LA is 2/3 - $100 max buy in.
I ****ing hate that crap.
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