If Daniel , Wasnt Daniel

[Chaserjim 0]

I could do it all over again if I HAD TO. The truth is, though, that it's not a realistic idea because of my status and the fact that if I needed money to play poker I could get enough so that I wouldn't be playing small anyway. As for playing in the smaller games, my people reading skills would actually be WAY BETTER as novice players have more patterns and tells than good players do. If I played small limits (live) I would cross book with anyone in the world. I've done this in the past with Ray D. in an $8-$16 limit hold'em game and it seemed pretty obvious to me that despite him being an awesome player, he simply couldn't earn as much as I could. He didn't get the gifts I would get, and he didn't try to manipulate his opponents verbally into doing exactly what he wanted them to do.

Daniel, I understand that your reading ability would be great against novice players, the only problem is .. At those limits , say a 1 - 2 NL game , the players change in and out of that same so often because it attracts alot of tourists. Do you think you would have enough time to learn betting patterns or what not, in time to sheer the sheep? Its not like the big game where you have weeks and months to develop reads on the same players that play it constantly . Its not a revolving door of different playstyles every 10 minutes. You said it yourself , that even tho Ray D is an awesome player , he wasnt getting the kinda "gifts" i e action on hands that you were getting. And im thinking the only reason you were getting those gifts is because of who you are. Youve been very lucky to give this representation of yourself in the public, and from Television we believe we know how you play. But if you didnt have that stage to perform on, and the public didnt know who you are .. my theory and again this is all extremely hypothetical food-for-thought , is that it would be tough because the very bottom limits are not a positive expected value game. Daniel and no other pro will sell themself short in this situation. Everyones going to believe that they ' can do it ' . Which is fine , but the quality of poker is so different at a 2-5 limit or 1-2 NL , from a 10-20 game that I believe you can never be a winner , or try and springboard yourself into a higher limit.

[Chaserjim 0]

If you really wanted to know how you would fare without all the hoopla of you being a poker icon , do what Tyra banks did . She dressed up as a fat woman , made out to be homely. She walked the streets of New York and visited restaurants and various locations that she went to as her real beautiful self .. and quickly she found out how differently people treated her. Ok get the idea?Dress up as your jamaican counterpart , fly to some indian casino that offers the bottom of the limit games , and give yourself a bankroll. I think youll find that its alot more difficult than you give credit for. And by an 8-16 limit game, that game has some BAD players in it, but if your playing that high , your not playing with the donks yet. My suggestion is again , try the very beginning limit game or a 1-2 NL game. - Jim

[Chaserjim 0]

Bump - Now we get to see if you can actually do it! GO DN.

[Flushgarden 0]

Daniel and no other pro will sell themself short in this situation. Everyones going to believe that they ' can do it ' . Which is fine , but the quality of poker is so different at a 2-5 limit or 1-2 NL , from a 10-20 game that I believe you can never be a winner , or try and springboard yourself into a higher limit.

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[rcgs59 15]

if you coud be you but not be you, would u be able to do what you do do without doing it, and when you get it done what will you do next with the same skill that you were stripped of but still have....hypothetical question, but it could be true 3 days from yesterdays tomorrow.

love your quote PT

I don't think there's enough large scale interest to make an actual tv show, but I would love to see a pro of Daniel's level of popularity sit down and play $1/2 No limit for a certain amount of time.I remember a few years ago (think that's right) that Daniel sat down at a smaller limit game, but he sat down with like $100k or so and played a lot of hands blind.I just think it would be great to see someone at that level go back and play a "Back to the Roots" game.I realize financially, it wouldn't be worth it for him, but it would be cool to see how they do and how they approach that game.I know in tournaments, it's often times like playing those limits at the beginning stages (he commented to the bad play in the WSOP ME this year).If you get a few days when you're not terribly busy, I'd love a report of you sitting at the $1/2 NL game (possibly $2/5) and letting us know how you did and what it's like. Also realizing that by doing this you create 1. rumors of being broke and 2. many people playing crazy trying to beat you (which skews the experiment some)Still would be cool though.Oh well, might as well dream some.

it would be nice to see him playing Neg O once in a while. Just to say hi to us and play with us. Also would be interesting to see as most of us play small ball how the game would actual turn out.As a player I would love to have a mix of DN, JJ, Barry Greenstein, Doyle B, Durr and Fluff

[TheCinciKid 0]

If you really wanted to know how you would fare without all the hoopla of you being a poker icon , do what Tyra banks did . She dressed up as a fat woman , made out to be homely. She walked the streets of New York and visited restaurants and various locations that she went to as her real beautiful self .. and quickly she found out how differently people treated her. Ok get the idea?Dress up as your jamaican counterpart , fly to some indian casino that offers the bottom of the limit games , and give yourself a bankroll. I think youll find that its alot more difficult than you give credit for. And by an 8-16 limit game, that game has some BAD players in it, but if your playing that high , your not playing with the donks yet. My suggestion is again , try the very beginning limit game or a 1-2 NL game. - Jim

This post is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen in several years. I can teach a brain dead monkey to beat low level LHE games. And, believe me, if I can do it, DN can do it. Now, he may not be able to do it today because the money wouldn't matter to him, but believe me...if the money mattered to him, Daniel Negreanu could and would make a killing at any low limit LHE or NL game. Truthfully, where poker gets difficult is when you start playing in games that have players that have a clue. I used to beat up on the 6/12 game at the Argosy Casino in Cincinnati, then I tried making the jump to 10/20 which was the highest limit they offered. There were several solid players in that game and I basically took a beating. Poker gets harder the higher you go, not vice versa. If 3/6 players would play me for stakes like 30/60 or 300/600 and play the same way they do at 3/6, I'd lick my chops and play in that game every single day.

[antistuff 0]

somebody who was as good as daneil or phil ivey at poker and was anonymous would completely destroy the high limit games before anybody knew what hit them. of course they wouldn't stay anonymous for long.

[Nashtak 0]

They have the skill and strategies. I'm sure they could get back on track with a breakthrough. In DN's case, a good tournament and he's back on track minus the fame and a smaller bankroll.

[Pivvy2001 0]

Bump - Now we get to see if you can actually do it! GO DN.

Wasn't your whole point that he would have to be able to do it at the lower limits WITHOUT his fame. You even criticized him for discussing it it because of the fact that he would still be a known player.That said, your theory is bunk regardless. Obviously, DN's skills would translate to a lower level. Yes, he would have to redo his reads on a shifting pool of players far more frequently, but he would have the skill set to do that (he already has once). To suggest that the constant flow of different players at a 1-2 game hinders getting reads is to suggest that luck is a prevalent requirement at winning at that level rather than skill. I know lots of consistent 1-2 winners that then move up in stakes. Those players are able to play well, capitalize on opportunities and make good reads (even of a shifting set of players). Needless to say DN would do that too.