Naismith 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm raising a ton of hands. Villain 1 is pushing a lot. He'll call raises and then just grab a random stack and push them. I cracked him with A-high earlier when I felt like I was ahead but also had a flush draw to go with it. He's definitely betting out draws, but also did it with two pair. If he bets the flop, he sticks the turn. If he checks, he check-folds.Villain 2 is tight. He's raised once or twice the entire time and has shown down good hands. He'll take a flop with suited connectors, big hands, pairs, but doesn't seem to be making any moves.I have 600 or so in front of me. Both villains are around 400.I raise QcTc from MP to 6. Villain 2 calls from CO. Villain 1 calls from SB.Flop is:8-5-5, one club.Villain 1 grabs a stack of chips and pushes it forward. It's 24 dollars. I call. Villain 2 calls.Turn:QVillain 1 pushes forward 150. Hero...? Link to post Share on other sites
Roberts2003 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 i would say def fold here. calling bluffing is fine on the flop, but the fact that the 3rd guy called behind you, plus that the 1st guy is now leading again strong most likely means Q10 is drawing to 2 outs here based on what you said. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I just assumed the "crazy player, pushing everything" was referencing you.Yeah, I fold the turn.How many buyins are you in for here? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It seems like you knew he was going to make a bet similar to this regardless on the turn card. So if you were willing to make the flop call can you really fold when you hit the turn? Sure he could have a 5, but with his betting pattern his range is so much wider than a 5.Would he r/r preflop with a big pair? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 i would say def fold here. calling bluffing is fine on the flop, but the fact that the 3rd guy called behind you, plus that the 1st guy is now leading again strong most likely means Q10 is drawing to 2 outs here based on what you said.He said if villain 1 bets the flop he sticks the turn, so hero has to expect another bet on the turn. I did miss that we are stuck in the middle though. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Both villains re-raise preflop with big pairs, villain 1 re-raises preflop with cards that he feels like re-raising with.If you raised villain 1, he either 1) called & donk bet the next street or 2) folded. I called the flop intending to put him all in on any turn that gave me outs and some that didn't.Acid, I'm in for 300. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Both villains re-raise preflop with big pairs, villain 1 re-raises preflop with cards that he feels like re-raising with.If you raised villain 1, he either 1) called & donk bet the next street or 2) folded. I called the flop intending to put him all in on any turn that gave me outs and some that didn't.Acid, I'm in for 300.I want you to post some strat hands from when you sit in the 5/10 NL there with the $100 max buyin. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I called the flop intending to put him all in on any turn that gave me outs and some that didn't.Pure Gold! Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 I should also clarify that when I say villain 1 pushes the turn after betting the flop, I don't necessarily mean all in (as the case here). He pushes hard, overbetting. If his stack dictated it, he'd be all in. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would have folded flop. I don't like calling flop to bluff turn when he's betting it so hard. I super don't like that strategy with tighty that isn't making moves calling behind you on flop. Granted if you raise the maniac on the turn the tighty can only play nut hands, but it seems way too risky with what is Q high, top pair, or turned gutty or flush draw. I'd rather just wait it out and actually flop something on him and let him do his shove antics.It seems like you want to beat him in a huge pot with next to nothing. Besides stroking ego, it doesn't seem optimal against his style of play. (I answered this as if I didn't know you would want to stroke that ego to the utmost) Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Villain 1 pushes forward 150. Hero...?I think you fold this time. It's "training" for the villain to keep pushing. It's only going to take two hands to bust this clown. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Results:I folded, tight villain folded. I would've called without thinking had it been heads up. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Results:I folded, tight villain folded. I would've called without thinking had it been heads up.that tight villian behinds makes things soo much trickier. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 that tight villian behinds makes things soo much trickier.Yes, he was supposed to fold on the flop. :)My punishment for not having position.P.S. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=111059 This is the A9 hand I was referring to via AIM. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yes, he was supposed to fold on the flop. :)My punishment for not having position.P.S. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=111059 This is the A9 hand I was referring to via AIM.ahhh yes I played that one pretty bad but that will happen. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 that tight villian behinds makes things soo much trickier. Link to post Share on other sites
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