BlueDev 0 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Copying from Bodog. Forgive me if I don't get the format/pot size/etc. quite right.Hero is new to table, so no real reads on either opponent. Hero has both covered:Hero (MP): $18.11Villain 1 (button): $5.78Villain 2 (BB): $9.40Preflop: Hero is MP with 10, J. 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB callsFlop: ($1.25) 10, J, Q(3 players)BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, Button raises to $1.10, BB calls, Hero callsTurn: ($4.55) K(3 players)BB bets $2.00, Hero calls, Button raises to $4.28 (all-in), BB calls, Hero ????Is this an insta-push? I'm assuming I'm up against a couple of aces here, but I have a boatload of outs, which is why I just called original turn bet. Should I have moved there? I was hoping the SB would come along if I made my draw. I feel like I botched it. Any help? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I think the BB morphed into the SB in your history.My first guess is that the calling villain has KQ. I think a call is best on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDev 0 Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 Oops. He was tricky, that one. :)Fixed the history. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Copying from Bodog. Forgive me if I don't get the format/pot size/etc. quite right.Hero is new to table, so no real reads on either opponent. Hero has both covered:Hero (MP): $18.11Villain 1 (button): $5.78Villain 2 (BB): $9.40Preflop: Hero is MP with 10, J. 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB callsFlop: ($1.25) 10, J, Q(3 players)BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, Button raises to $1.10, BB calls, Hero callsTurn: ($4.55) K(3 players)BB bets $2.00, Hero calls, Button raises to $4.28 (all-in), BB calls, Hero ????Is this an insta-push? I'm assuming I'm up against a couple of aces here, but I have a boatload of outs, which is why I just called original turn bet. Should I have moved there? I was hoping the SB would come along if I made my draw. I feel like I botched it. Any help? Thanks.um. duh?i can't get away from this Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Just call. There's no point in shoving, as an ace is obviously not going to fold. Dump it U/I on the river but you have likely 13 outs to a win and another 1-2 outs to a split. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Just call. There's no point in shoving, as an ace is obviously not going to fold. Dump it U/I on the river but you have likely 13 outs to a win and another 1-2 outs to a split.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 um. duh?i can't get away from this Just call. There's no point in shoving, as an ace is obviously not going to fold. Dump it U/I on the river but you have likely 13 outs to a win and another 1-2 outs to a split.Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Dog them both sucka. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDev 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 I appreciate the feedback, though it seems opinions are split on the proper move on the turn. While I do see the advantage of calling and reevaluating on the river, I'm curious to the rationale for pushing the turn. I agree that we're not going to get the BB to fold an ace, so what advantage does a push give us? Additionally, would we even want him to fold? Assuming we're currently beaten here by both villains (but with lots of outs to catch up), isn't it preferable to keep both involved? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I appreciate the feedback, though it seems opinions are split on the proper move on the turn. While I do see the advantage of calling and reevaluating on the river, I'm curious to the rationale for pushing the turn. I agree that we're not going to get the BB to fold an ace, so what advantage does a push give us? Additionally, would we even want him to fold? Assuming we're currently beaten here by both villains (but with lots of outs to catch up), isn't it preferable to keep both involved?Thought one was all in anyway. We're behind here with a ton of outs to take it and one card to peel. No sense pushing. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I appreciate the feedback, though it seems opinions are split on the proper move on the turn. While I do see the advantage of calling and reevaluating on the river, I'm curious to the rationale for pushing the turn. I agree that we're not going to get the BB to fold an ace, so what advantage does a push give us? Additionally, would we even want him to fold? Assuming we're currently beaten here by both villains (but with lots of outs to catch up), isn't it preferable to keep both involved?I don't see one person advocating anything other than a call... Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I don't see one person advocating anything other than a call...u reed goot Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDev 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think I just misread mtdesmoines first post as advocating a push. My bad. Reading comprehension in the toilet. Blame the public school system.Thanks, everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think I just misread mtdesmoines first post as advocating a push. My bad. Reading comprehension in the toilet. Blame the public school system.Thanks, everyone.My fault, I thought we were so obviously behind that the choice was call or fold, but the pot is laying odds for us to call anyway. I can't fold this, and I really see no sense in pushing until we make our hand. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think I just misread mtdesmoines first post as advocating a push. My bad. Reading comprehension in the toilet. Blame the public school system.Thanks, everyone.did you brick the river? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 did you brick the river?wait, you mean occasionally people hit 15 outers? I expect the 3c there. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDev 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 wait, you mean occasionally people hit 15 outers? I expect the 3c there.4c, actually.I did just call. They both had ace-rag and split. So, clearly it was a terrible call..... <sw> Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 4c, actually.I did just call. They both had ace-rag and split.Ace-rags with that flop action? You have two new best friends, right? Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDev 0 Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 Ace-rags with that flop action? You have two new best friends, right?Not even sooooooted. I think just about everyone playing at that level on Bodog is best friend material. Including me. Especially me.Who am I kidding...I just want more friends. Link to post Share on other sites
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