Sleazy Move

[KONGOS 0]

So I was playing some $5-150 at Casino Arizona recently and this situation came up:I'm in the sb with , late position raises to $20, CO calls, Button folds, I call. Board comes :D and I check. The original raiser checks as does the CO. Turn brings a I have my palms facing down on the felt and I lift my right hand to grab chips from my top stack. Player 1 (raiser) checks and Player 2 immediatly checks behind before I could even put my bet out. The dealer is watching the TV screen behind me and starts to deal the river. I quickly stop him and say "hold on, hold on I never checked." Player one says, "dude, you lifted your hand up and knocked the table." Player 2 agrees (even though I know for a fact he was not looking at me, he was looking around the room). The dealer doesn't have an opinion. I tell them that the dealer wasn't even watching the table, and player 2 for sure wasn't playing attention. He just followed player 1's action innocently...at first. They start vehemently arguing against me so the dealer calls the floor. I explain my position, and by now I'm almost positive that at least one of them, probably both, have draws....because they're so eager to see a free card and Player 1 probably pulls this shit all the time in situations like this. Has this happened to anyone before (I'm sure it has) and what do you do? Do you know of people who habitually check before the player before them acts as to get a free card? It's pretty annoying because if the floor decides I have to check I'm positive I miss a call of my $40-$60 bet from both of them.

[ThePhoenix88 0]

So I was playing some $5-150 at Casino Arizona recently and this situation came up:I'm in the sb with , late position raises to $20, CO calls, Button folds, I call. Board comes :D and I check. The original raiser checks as does the CO. Turn brings a I have my palms facing down on the felt and I lift my right hand to grab chips from my top stack. Player 1 (raiser) checks and Player 2 immediatly checks behind before I could even put my bet out. The dealer is watching the TV screen behind me and starts to deal the river. I quickly stop him and say "hold on, hold on I never checked." Player one says, "dude, you lifted your hand up and knocked the table." Player 2 agrees (even though I know for a fact he was not looking at me, he was looking around the room). The dealer doesn't have an opinion. I tell them that the dealer wasn't even watching the table, and player 2 for sure wasn't playing attention. He just followed player 1's action innocently...at first. They start vehemently arguing against me so the dealer calls the floor. I explain my position, and by now I'm almost positive that at least one of them, probably both, have draws....because they're so eager to see a free card and Player 1 probably pulls this shit all the time in situations like this. Has this happened to anyone before (I'm sure it has) and what do you do? Do you know of people who habitually check before the player before them acts as to get a free card? It's pretty annoying because if the floor decides I have to check I'm positive I miss a call of my $40-$60 bet from both of them.

First that sucks. The dealer should have been reprimanded for not paying attention. Was she? Usually you won't have a player like that because they will be warned not to do that and then kicked out (rules vary).

[KONGOS 0]

First that sucks. The dealer should have been reprimanded for not paying attention. Was she? Usually you won't have a player like that because they will be warned not to do that and then kicked out (rules vary).

He wasn't reprimanded, I didn't bring it up to the floor. It was like this player knew that the dealer wasn't really paying attention and took advantage of the situation....it was pretty ridiculous.

[Naslund44 0]

it was pretty ridiculous.

[ShaneO19 0]

Wow, that is really bad. So what was the outcome of the hand? Did the "check" stand?

[Napa_Don 688]

First that sucks. The dealer should have been reprimanded for not paying attention. Was she? Usually you won't have a player like that because they will be warned not to do that and then kicked out (rules vary).

I love how you automatically assume the dealer was a woman because he made a mistake, lol, <3.

[Balloon guy 158]

I love how you automatically assume the dealer was a woman because she made a mistake, lol, <3.

fyp

[NoSup4U 0]

I would argue, and if the floor rules against you, then I would go of on the floor about the dealer and how isn't it his/her/its job to pay attention and actually know if I checked or not? And then I wouldn't tip the dealer anymore if I wasn't allowed to bet that street.Mark

[sKIjaKuDa 0]

Wow, that is really bad. So what was the outcome of the hand? Did the "check" stand?

I wonder the same thing. Did you get your bet in or did they both get the free card?Oh, and was the dealer a woman? Watching TV sounds very male.Cheers,

[Snamuh 0]

That sucks, but why are you playing with your palms face down on the table? Just seems a little awkward to me. Either way, sucks that the dealer wasn't doing his/her job. What was the outcome?BTW I think you should bet the flop personally.

[mtdesmoines 3]

So I was playing some $5-150 at Casino Arizona recently and this situation came up: .

Don't check the nuts. Establish a pattern of verbal actions. Call for the floor.Shove any safe river and SIUTPs.Oh, and don't tip this dealer.EDIT: And say out loud, "Anyone else tries to shoot an angle on me, I kick their ass."

[Balloon guy 158]

Don't check the nuts. Establish a pattern of verbal actions. Call for the floor.Shove any safe river and SIUTPs.Oh, and don't tip this dealer.

FTWAlthough once while playing in a Russian club I said Bet and the action passed me and the dealer said: Me thinks you said Nyet, which is similar to check I guess in Russian

[BeaverStyle 1]

Outcome? Methinks you didn't come out on top simply because you were outnumbered. Usually the floor goes w/ the majority opinion in situations like this it seems... and the dealer should definitely be reprimanded.Lemme guess... heart on river, and you check/fold a max bet?

[KONGOS 0]

The dealer was male. The floor ended up looking at us with a blank face so I just decided to not carry this thing on any longer and disrupt the whole table...I just said "whatever, it's 2 on 1...this is ridiculous, I'll play the check and let's move on." River came a blank and I led out $40. Both players folded, player 1 for some reason confirmed what I suspected by folding 2 hearts face up and Player 2 I believe had something like K10.@ Snamuh: haha...I'm just saying I had both hands on the table and I wasn't fidgeting....so any movement I made was clear and free from interpretation.

Don't check the nuts. Establish a pattern of verbal actions. Call for the floor.Shove any safe river and SIUTPs.Oh, and don't tip this dealer.EDIT: And say out loud, "Anyone else tries to shoot an angle on me, I kick their ass."

*This guy put a continuation bet out on every hand he raised...was quite surprised he checked. Depends on the opponent, but I like checking the nuts to this guy occasionally.*I agree with that but I'd sat down pretty recently and had folded many hands so couldn't really do that.*Not sure what that means? Isn't in the glossary haha.

[king_tanner 84]

This actually has happened a lot to me as well. Especially in low limit cash games when it hasn't been raised to the BB, and the BB usually checks their option. Lots of times dealers will get bored and will assume that the BB is going to check and will start to put out the flop when BB wants to raise.I think if people want to check they should have to put their whole hand out and tap the table, or verbally declare check. Sometimes people will just slightly move their finger, or have some silly unique way of checking. This causes confusion for the dealer and other players who are next to act and they aren't sure if a person has acted or not. I'm not saying you weren't clear the way you checked, I just always get frustrated when its my turn and I dont realize its my turn because some d_ouche doesnt know how to check. Dealers should still pay attention though no excuse.That sucks about the sleazy players though, unfortunately casinos and card rooms are full of sleazy people.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

That sucks, but why are you playing with your palms face down on the table? Just seems a little awkward to me. Either way, sucks that the dealer wasn't doing his/her job. What was the outcome?BTW I think you should bet the flop personally.

Huh? He should have his palms face up on the table?

[eljo 0]

Ive had this happen to me a lot at some of the low limit tables at The Bike. The floor almost alway sides with the loudest there. So I learned to voice my side quickly and loudly. Also It has taught me to keep my hands behind my chips

[checkymcfold 0]

it's very important in situations like this to speak to the floor and dealer as if this is not a debate, but rather a case of the other players being mistaken. the very second you act as if they even have a chance to argue the other side, you're likely to lose to the loudest voice. tell the floor that you simply didn't check, that the other players saw you move your hand slightly and then acted out of turn without receiving confirmation from the dealer (this will also allow the dealer to feel like it's not his fault and get him on your side), and you should win the argument just fine.

[KONGOS 0]

it's very important in situations like this to speak to the floor and dealer as if this is not a debate, but rather a case of the other players being mistaken. the very second you act as if they even have a chance to argue the other side, you're likely to lose to the loudest voice. tell the floor that you simply didn't check, that the other players saw you move your hand slightly and then acted out of turn without receiving confirmation from the dealer (this will also allow the dealer to feel like it's not his fault and get him on your side), and you should win the argument just fine.

This is very good advice...because the dealer didn't actually acknowledge action from me, which sometimes if the table is running well they won't acknowledge everything but in this case I could've used it in my argument.-----------Normally if a situation arises like this, whether I've been involved or not, the rest of the table is quite accomodating and generally goes along with the persons intent...as long as it's not totally blatant (in my case, there wasn't even anything to interpret - just lifted my hand to grab chips). Ocassionally you get some douches like this though. Oh well...thanks for the replies.

[David_Nicoson 1]

This really doesn't make any sense, but I'm going to suggest that you put your bet out before the floor gets there. He may be tempted to let the ruling on the field stand.

[psujohn 0]

Shove any safe river and SIUTPs.

stick it up their posterior ?

[GWCGWC 83]

This really doesn't make any sense, but I'm going to suggest that you put your bet out before the floor gets there. He may be tempted to let the ruling on the field stand.

This is such great advise and I would have never thought about doing it. winner

[Flushgarden 0]

If this ever happens to me I'll get thrown out of the casino for what I do to that guy. I can already picture myself trying to get to my car and get out of there before the cops get there.

[socalpoker_j 1]

If this ever happens to me I'll get thrown out of the casino for what I do to that guy. I can already picture myself trying to get to my car and get out of there before the cops get there.

Sounds like an effective and brilliant strategy.

[Flushgarden 0]

Sounds like an effective and brilliant strategy.

I have anger issues. If somebody tries to steal from me my first instinct is to fight back. One time some ******* called a string bet on me when he wasn't even in the hand. It just made my blood boil...I had all I could to not create a scene.