Qq In 22 1r/1a 1st Hour

[mk 11]

pretty early so no real reads on utg, but he seems to play reasonably. mp2 is bill ivey who is obv a sicko, tricky, capable of flatting an utg raise with a wide range etc.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB (t2125)BB (t6385)UTG (t4445)UTG+1 (t3920)MP1 (t6440)MP2 (t2655)MP3 (t2500)Hero (t5340)Button (t2875)Preflop: Hero is CO with Q , Q . UTG raises to t200, 2 folds, MP2 calls t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t200, 2 folds, BB calls t150.Flop: (t825) 6 , 9 , 8 (4 players)BB checks, UTG bets t200, MP2 folds, Hero calls t200, BB calls t200.Turn: (t1425) 6 (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t750, BB folds, UTG raises to t1550, Hero ???

[Metternich 0]

never just call that flop when the bet is so tiny. You dont want to price in so many people with a board thats so drawy.

[pdr87 0]

Most of the times I would reraise here preflop. You may manage to isolate utg.On the flop, you HAVE TO reraise. You've got to have a plan for the turn if you flatcall this flop. Because if you do you will find yourself in this situation a lot of the times.I would fold on this turn. You're getting 4:1 on the call. But you only have 2 outs if you're behind.

[mk 11]

On the flop, you HAVE TO reraise.

Against an UTG raiser with two others flatcalling, I'm not particularly thrilled with two red queens on a 986 flop with 2 spades. If I raise the flop, I can get shoved on by so many draws and forfeit the best hand. My plan was to see a relatively safe turn and see what my opponents do. I'm not concerned with the flop play. I think the turn is interesting because my hand is really under-repped.

[AKProdigy 0]

I would have probably reraised preflop unless you have a decent read on the UTG raiser. The fact that his range is so big on the flop really makes it awkward postflop. On the turn as played, I call, and then probably call a river bet. If checked to, I might value bet it just because I don't believe a hand that beats you (other than MAYBE AA/KK, and even then that's a huge maybe) would check to you on the river.

[pdr87 0]

Why would it be a bad thing to get reshoved on the flop. You pretty much know you have the best hand here. This is the exact kind of situation you want in a rebuy. If you get drawn out on - you just rebuy.

[mk 11]

Why would it be a bad thing to get reshoved on the flop. You pretty much know you have the best hand here. This is the exact kind of situation you want in a rebuy. If you get drawn out on - you just rebuy.

1) def don't know for sure i have the best hand on the flop. players who put 100 BBs in with two red queens on 986 two spade flops in multi-way pots are generally terrible, imo.2) this is the 1 rebuy/1 add-on, so it plays more like a normal mtt. (almost everyone takes the rebuy right away)

[pdr87 0]

1) But what are we afraid of here? The 200 bet on the flop screams drawing hand imo. If he had a set or two pair he would most likely try to protect.2) I would still find this to be a good spot to risk my one rebuy.

[AKProdigy 0]

1) But what are we afraid of here? The 200 bet on the flop screams drawing hand imo. If he had a set or two pair he would most likely try to protect.2) I would still find this to be a good spot to risk my one rebuy.

He meant that there is no rebuy to fall back on. Everyone just doubles their chips at the start and therefore its basically a normal MTT with double the stacks to start and an add on at break.

[throwemaway 0]

1) But what are we afraid of here? The 200 bet on the flop screams drawing hand imo. If he had a set or two pair he would most likely try to protect.2) I would still find this to be a good spot to risk my one rebuy.

1. I wouldn't say just because he weak leads it automatically means a draw..It could be a c/bet with A high, it could be a poor bet with AA thinking his hand is invincible, it could be top set hoping to get a raise...Without reads we have very little info from his betHonestly I think you have to reraise preflop..Playing QQ in a multiway pot is such a daunting task..At least you can move forward with more information on Villain(s) hand ranges if you repop and get a call/reraise preflop but at this juncture, were completely lostAs played, I think the turn is a fold..Weak led/min c/r is a pretty strong line, although it can be misleadingly "strong" based on how you have under repped your hand

[Influcted 0]

I would raise on the flop because flatcalling this allows people to hit flush/str draws.Edit; You flat called a 200 raise PF with QQ?!

[pdr87 0]

He meant that there is no rebuy to fall back on. Everyone just doubles their chips at the start and therefore its basically a normal MTT with double the stacks to start and an add on at break.

OK. I misunderstood then.

1. I wouldn't say just because he weak leads it automatically means a draw..It could be a c/bet with A high, it could be a poor bet with AA thinking his hand is invincible, it could be top set hoping to get a raise...Without reads we have very little info from his bet

Doesn't really matter if it's a draw to a flush/straight or an ace, we are still likely to be ahead on the flop. If he has an overpair, then we where ment to go broke here.But as I said, I would probably fold the turn.

[Cappy37 0]

QQ is a great hand to raise with preflop.QQ is a horrible hand to play multi-way after the flop.On the flop, you are statistically ahead of all draws that arent straight+flush.On the turn, you are beating top pair, pure bluffs, naked straight draws, naked flush draws.You are hopelessy behind any straight, any two pair, and any 6.This isn't even a heads up pot, I don't think we're the favorite to win the hand here. If we get to the river without getting it all in, half the deck scares the living hell out of us, and that's if we are even ahead on the turn. You passively called PF ahead, on the flop when still likely ahead, and then turned on the jets into a 3-way pot on the turn when the board paired? Really?As played, dump the turn, and remind yourself that slowplaying QQ (esp. in a multiway pot) is really, really bad.

[Yahkin 0]

Raise PF, Raise the Flop.What's our plan with the turn? Betting half the pot for info? Steal? Our story doesn't make sense as we can't seriously be repping the 6 here. If I'm the villain, I'm not giving your bet much credence at all. There are a lot of hands that we beat that can make this move: TT, JJ, A9, Nut flush draw, AK.As played, I have to call here...If we were ahead on the flop, I really can't be convinced we are behind now. No FE in the push now, so let's try to showdown cheap. Check behind on the river if we can.

[throwemaway 0]

Raise PF, Raise the Flop.What's our plan with the turn? Betting half the pot for info? Steal? Our story doesn't make sense as we can't seriously be repping the 6 here. If I'm the villain, I'm not giving your bet much credence at all. There are a lot of hands that we beat that can make this move: TT, JJ, A9, Nut flush draw, AK.As played, I have to call here...If we were ahead on the flop, I really can't be convinced we are behind now. No FE in the push now, so let's try to showdown cheap. Check behind on the river if we can.

UTG is shoving the river like 95 percent of the time here..If you are planning on calling the 800 chip raise here, be prepared to call the rest of his 2500 and effectively your tourney life on the river unless he decides to value town us HARDCORE and bet 1200 into a pot of 4500..Basically, we need to make a commitment decision right now IMOMK: What were your thoughts on smooth calling preflop? Especially since Bill Ivey is in the hand, I think we have to try to iso the early raiser to simplify things, but if you have thoughts otherwise, I'm curious to hear them

[mk 11]

MK: What were your thoughts on smooth calling preflop? Especially since Bill Ivey is in the hand, I think we have to try to iso the early raiser to simplify things, but if you have thoughts otherwise, I'm curious to hear them

I seldom re-raise with QQ preflop when stacks are this deep. I'm obviously not slowplaying at any point in this hand, I'm simply trying to keep the pot to a reasonable size. When a tight player raises 4x UTG and a player like Lee (i.e. a player who is definitely capable of flatting an UTG raise with AA or KK) calls behind, I don't want to get blown off my hand by 3-betting and then getting 4-bet shoved. I have the chance to win a huge pot if I get a favorable flop. That's not to say I'm just set-mining; I would almost always raise a flop bet (or bet if checked to) if the flop contained all unders to my QQ, but UTG's weak lead was vv fishy to me (plus there was another player left to act) so I decided to just call. If I raise the flop and he 3-bets, I pretty much have to fold (and sometimes I'm up against JJ/TT which sucks). Now, on the turn, after they check it to me, I assume I have the best hand and expect to take it down with a reasonable bet. Doesn't work....so based on my read of UTG as tight and with his ultra stong line of weak lead flop, min-c/r turn, it seems like an easy fold, but while I was in the hand, I kept thinking about how under-repped my hand was, hence the trickiness of what to do...Math doesn't really help either... Losing to 19 combos of AA/KK/99/88/66, ahead of 18 combos of JJ/TT/77...

[tskillz187 0]

I seldom re-raise with QQ preflop when stacks are this deep. I'm obviously not slowplaying at any point in this hand, I'm simply trying to keep the pot to a reasonable size. When a tight player raises 4x UTG and a player like Lee (i.e. a player who is definitely capable of flatting an UTG raise with AA or KK) calls behind, I don't want to get blown off my hand by 3-betting and then getting 4-bet shoved. I have the chance to win a huge pot if I get a favorable flop. That's not to say I'm just set-mining; I would almost always raise a flop bet (or bet if checked to) if the flop contained all unders to my QQ, but UTG's weak lead was vv fishy to me (plus there was another player left to act) so I decided to just call. If I raise the flop and he 3-bets, I pretty much have to fold (and sometimes I'm up against JJ/TT which sucks). Now, on the turn, after they check it to me, I assume I have the best hand and expect to take it down with a reasonable bet. Doesn't work....so based on my read of UTG as tight and with his ultra stong line of weak lead flop, min-c/r turn, it seems like an easy fold, but while I was in the hand, I kept thinking about how under-repped my hand was, hence the trickiness of what to do...Math doesn't really help either... Losing to 19 combos of AA/KK/99/88/66, ahead of 18 combos of JJ/TT/77...

What's wrong with getting 4-bet shoved on pf? You got all the info you needed, he has KK or AA and you fold. The way you're playing it now gives up soooooo much value masked in the "keep pots small" conjecture. You will win more big pots by reraising pf and lose less by reraising pf.You want to be able to stack AA or KK postflop if you hit a set, but also stack I don't know what if your hand was good pre and held post flop. Maybe you don't think you're set mining, but you really are. People aren't going to go crazy with one pair here postflop, so you are just trying to win the hands where you are ahead and lose the hands where you are behind, not generally a great philosophy, but it's the one I'm giving for preflop play. The problem is that you are never charging them for playing against your premium hand, you give them infinite implied odds to catch up and you are susceptible to a pot getting out of control like in this hand.Your hand isn't even that under repped because A9 plays a lot like QQ in this spot, only beating 1010 or JJ. So instead of finding out if its 1010/JJ/KK/AA preflop you also get to throw in random, 710ss, 67ss, 56ss, etc.Generally his minraise scares the piss out of me and I'm kind of frozen. He put you to a decision for your stack right there, kind of what you didn't want earlier in the hand. I guess as played you make a read, I'd probably fold and hope it wasn't 1010 or JJ.