hblask 1 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm pretty sure that's not trueIt is. I heard he also invented eunuchs. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well, that's good enough for me Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm pretty sure that's not truepretty sure it is. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,755 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 pretty sure it is.... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I think that there has to be some serious underlying mental disease for someone to react that way (suicide or shooting spree) to being terminated. So yeah, it's traumatic and can be horrible if done poorly, but it's hard to blame employers for all of those instances in which a person near the edge snapped due to a regular part of having a job. Though I'm sure there are extreme instances of employers driving someone insane. Really? I totally disagree.I do agree that people are responsible for their own actions and murder can never be "blamed on the employer". However, depression and hopelessness can make you totally irrational, and many effects could be dampened and mitigated by dealing with employees gently, as Scram suggested.Depression IS a serious mental disease. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,755 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Depression IS a serious mental disease."Depression" is not a disease, it's almost always scientifically labeled a disorder, unless you get into a very very specific diagnosis. Speedz knows. He's going to have to prescribe tons of very expensive medications for doggie depression, because "Champ" looks sad today. *wink* Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 "Depression" is not a disease, it's almost always scientifically labeled a disorder, unless you get into a very very specific diagnosis. Speedz knows. He's going to have to prescribe tons of very expensive medications for doggie depression, because "Champ" looks sad today. *wink*Depression is just as much a disease as diabetes. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Depression is just as much a disease as diabetes.Sometimes, but not always. Sometimes it really is less of a medical disease and more of a psychological disorder. It really depends on the case, from what I understand.So, to make everyone happy, you're both wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,755 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 So, to make everyone happy, you're both wrong.I'm going to disagree with you here, since you're saying the exact same thing I just did. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Dan Wheldon 2-time and current Indy 500 champ Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'm going to disagree with you here, since you're saying the exact same thing I just did.I'm going to disagree with your disagreement."Depression" is not a disease, it's almost always scientifically labeled a disorder Sometimes it really is less of a medical disease and more of a psychological disorder. It really depends on the case, from what I understand."Almost always" [does not equal] "Sometimes". Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,755 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 "Almost always" [does not equal] "Sometimes".I'm just assuming that you misspoke. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Heh. Seriously though, in many cases depression absolutely is an illness stemming from very measurable changes in brain chemistry. Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralGeeWhiz 0 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Dan Wheldon 2-time and current Indy 500 champjust awful. that's the risk they take but they had too many cars on that track. careless of Indy car. Rip Dan. Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Muammar Qaddafi Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I will only listed to VB in regards to what depression actually is. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Muammar QaddafiHe looks depressed. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Depression is just as much a disease as diabetes. Heh. Seriously though, in many cases depression absolutely is an illness stemming from very measurable changes in brain chemistry.I agree with brv on this one. There has been a PR push to call it a disease in recent years, which I can only assume comes from the pharmaceutical companies. I think it's a terrible misnomer. Regarding speedz' comment, while depression is probably always associated with changes in brain chemistry, that does not at all mean it is caused by changes in brain chemistry. Being angry also changes your brain chemistry. To psychologists it is officially "Major Depressive Disorder", which is classified as a mood disorder. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Regarding speedz' comment, while depression is probably always associated with changes in brain chemistry, that does not at all mean it is caused by changes in brain chemistry. Being angry also changes your brain chemistry.You don't think depression can be caused by changes in brain chemistry? Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 You don't think depression can be caused by changes in brain chemistry?I think its hard to talk about cause and effect when it comes to mental events. Thoughts are ultimately electrochemical events. For instance, thinking about really sad things can decrease your serotonin levels... you look at a depressed person's brain and find decreased serotonin... did it cause the depression? Sure, people can vary in their brain chemistry to begin with and that can be a factor, but I think the public idea that depression is the result of a "chemical imbalance" is largely the result of deliberate propaganda by Pharma. The best way to cure depression is by changing your thought process and behavior -- cognitive behavioral therapy. I'm not saying people should never take drugs for depression, or that there are no genetic or uncontrollable biological factors that predispose you, but I think its a mistake to draw the conclusion that because there are neurochemical or neurostructural changes associated with depression that it is caused by something on that level and should be treated on that level.edit: one of my main problems with the disease view is that it tells people that they are "victims" of their depression, which implies that they have no responsibility in making it go away. I think this is a dangerous point of view, especially given that depression is characterized by feelings of loss of control. thinking of yourself as a victim can be part of the problem instead of part of the solution. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,723 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 in college, i answered a question about depression with this flow chart:Edit: [removed because it was annoyingly big] [beck's cognitive triad flow chart - google it]i did not recieve full credit for that question. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 in college, i answered a question about depression with this flow chart:i did not recieve full credit for that question.As in Beck the Scientologist? Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,723 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 i don't think so. but i'm not really sure. his wikipedia doesnt say anyhting about scientology. Link to post Share on other sites
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