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[pdr87 0]

First hand of the final table. No reads. Preflop may have been a little speculative, but now that I've gotten my self into this. What do we do?Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t600/t1200(Ante: t150)8 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t53053UTG+1: t8134MP1: t22256MP2: t12450CO: t30041Button: t12820Hero: t31196BB: t74196Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with 9 A UTG raises to t2400, 3 folds, Hero calls t1800 (pot was t5400), BB calls t1200 (pot was t7200).Flop: 6 2 4 (t8400, 5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.Turn: 9 (t8400, 5 players)Hero bets t5500, BB raises to t24600, UTG folds, Hero...

[Influcted 0]

It's possible that he has an overpair because of the check at the flop but that seems unlikely giving others free chances to hit a straight. I think I would've folded.

[jmbreslin 0]

Why would he check the flop with an overpair?I'm thinking he's trapping with a set here. If you were HU against BB, I'd say that he might just be trying to bully you off the pot after sensing weakness, but it's very unlikely he's making that move against 2 opponents without holding something. There is no way an overpair would have checked that flop, and I can't imagine he's playing A6, A4, or A2, or any combo that would give him 2P.What could he reasonably be playing this way that you beat?

[Influcted 0]

As I said that would be unlikely but it's a strange check at the flop aswell with 6 2 4 and straight possibilities.

[pdr87 0]

Could he ever have a weaker 9?

[Influcted 0]

Could he ever have a weaker 9?

That doesn't seem likely to me because he called that raise preflop. Doubt he's protecting his blind.

[Yahkin 0]

He could have 92, 94, 24. He's getting a good price to call with ATC PF, so you basically have to treat this as an unraised pot.Other hands to consider are 66, 44, and even ducks at that price.

[looshle 6]

fold pf

[Influcted 0]

fold pf

Logically, but that isn't the question.

[jmbreslin 0]

He could have 92, 94, 24. He's getting a good price to call with ATC PF, so you basically have to treat this as an unraised pot.

Possibly. Which gets us back to my question: what hands could he reasonably be playing this way that Hero beats here? I can't think of any good answers to this question.

[KoRnholio 2]

Possibly. Which gets us back to my question: what hands could he reasonably be playing this way that Hero beats here? I can't think of any good answers to this question.

8d7d perhaps. But I think we are smoked here most of the time. Looks like 2 pair+ here a lot. He checks the flop with the preflop raisor and 2 callers behind him, then goes nuts on the turn and shows he wants to win a big pot.

[copernicus 0]

Fold preflop getting 3:1 with an A? For 6% of your stack? No way. I think the turn is a bit of an overbet, and its a fold to the raise as bet, an easier fold with a lower lead. Theres no reason to bet 5500 here. Youre wa/wb, which calls for a small bet. If youre ahead, the best someone can have to outdraw you is a diamond draw, so 3k is the most you need to bet here. If the other players havent been aggressive you can probably get away with less, because most likely youre facing no worse than a 5 outer, but less than 3k does invite an aggressive player to play back at you if he reads it as weak.

[Cappy37 0]

That turn raise looks a bit suspicious to me, but it costs you your entire stack to find out, so I'd get rid of it, too.I'd repop it pre-flop to about 8k total if I was going to play A9 out of position against the chipleader. I'd much prefer to take control of the hand and send a message that "If you are stealing, get out". I'd gain a ton more information that way going into the flop. But that would also depend highly on the raiser's image and any reads I had on him so far. Being 4/8 with an M > 10, I probably wouldn't play A9 at all if I wasn't opening the pot.And by me saying I'd re-pop, that would be based on my own tight image. If you are getting involved frequently, I'd never make that play if I was you.

[gobears 0]

I fold pre as you'll be OOP against UTG and potentially the BB who are the two big stacks at the table.As played, I fold to the raise. As has been said, a lot of hands beat you and hands that don't have outs.

[Sheiky 0]

Fold.

[timwakefield 68]

Logically, but that isn't the question.

Well, in one sense it is the question. If we avoid marginal situations (this one is barely even marginal) before the flop, then we won't have to make difficult decisions for all of our chips with mediocre hands after the flop. Fold pf, bet/fold the turn.

[copernicus 0]

wow, Id love to make a FT with players so tight theyd fold this hand PF getting 3:1.

[BeaverStyle 1]

wow, Id love to make a FT with players so tight theyd fold this hand PF getting 3:1.

Any FT and a 180 person sng FT are becoming more and more different IMO.BTW, OP, is this a $4.40 or $20? I haven't played a $20 in a while, but from my experience the play is better at $20 180 FT's, but not by a lot.Since playing the challenge, I've noticed that people with big stacks LOVE minraising or even limping w/ huge hands from EP. Also... it looks like this hand might have been changed or something went wrong in the convertor... UTG raises... then there 3 folds until Hero calls. Aren't there 5 players to act before it gets to Hero? Hmm, just kinda strange.How I would play the hand:Call preflop... Odds are to good to fold, and you're not in horrible shape against a pair.Flop: obvious check.Turn: I still check. You have TPTK... but no one has defined their hand yet, except perhaps UTG. To check behind after the blinds check shows he's weak or weak ENOUGH that you're worried about the sb or bb hitting that flop hard. I'd call a reasonable bet here. (Leading out here sucks because if you don't improve on the river, are you going to value-bet your lowly pair of 9's again?)River: Obviously depends on the turn action, but I don't go to war here w/ TPTK unimproved on the river. Odds are you won't have much invested, and since the BB probably could have called w/ ATC... He probably hit that flop hard, and you needed to improve on the river to TID.and LOL anyone that says BB has an overpair...

[looshle 6]

wow, Id love to make a FT with players so tight theyd fold this hand PF getting 3:1.

This is a bad call getting 5-1.

[AbsolutKnuts 0]

I think the BB senses that we are weak and is pretty sure we wont call all in. He's using his chip stack to dominate us out of position. As played i fold here, but i would have bet the flop to define my opponents. I would say he has something like K9 or J9 or a flush draw and really doesn't want to see another card. If i was him and had a monster hand i would probably smooth call here and hope for more action on the river. As it is he is protecting his hand because he is weak and want the pot right there and then.