A234 Wiffed Flop But It Was Capped Pre

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by now i'm sort of tilting a lil bit i'm starting to lose my cool, but i did hit one low card and i have a backdoor flush draw... if we decide to play we might as well cap it ourselves, yes? How bad is this play really? lol takeabreakaments?Absolute PokerLimit Omaha Ring gameLimit: $2/$49 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with :D UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.Flop: (20SB, 5 players)SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, Button raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.Turn: (18BB, 4 players)SB is all-in $2.62, BB calls, Hero folds, Button calls.River: (19.97BB, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 19.97BB)BB checks, Button checks.Results:Final pot: 19.97BB

[Cappy37 0]

Gotta fold flop, because of your $#!tty position. You can certainly call one bet with two nut backdoor draws, but you can't call raises. Sucks, curse the bad luck and toss. Feel horrible the 1 in 3 times the turn card makes you regret the decision.

[biggswolll 0]

def fold flop. oop here and only bad things can come from this

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what's my equity here I would guess around 15%

[Cappy37 0]

The SB repopping really screws the whole hand up for you. Equity is touchy, since we aren't closing the action and we aren't even sure if we are going runner-runner to a clean half (on the low) or flushing without the board pairing (for the high).With this much action (which we find out after we call the flop), we can be pretty certain that two-pair is definite and a set fairly likely, so our draw to the nut-high is not as clean as it appears. two of the 9 spades we are after won't be "clean" and will pair the board. We can't be certain we are the only onces playing A3 either. It's just a bad spot.. We'd be raising ourselves with two lows on board, but we're pretty much hating it with only one low card present and one spade.

[KoRnholio 2]

zomg I am drunk and only play PLO hi, wtf are you capping the flop for? Runner runner flush/low/boat? grosssss

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zomg I am drunk and only play PLO hi, wtf are you capping the flop for? Runner runner flush/low/boat? grosssss

Ok let's see I'm getting 4:38 on my money here, 9.5-1 on the flop, and I backdoor a low, which Cappy told me is prob not clean, about 25% of the time, so that gives me around a 12% equity, and my backdoor flush draw, which adds around 3-4%, for a total of around 15% equity I believe.

[Cappy37 0]

Ok let's see I'm getting 4:38 on my money here, 9.5-1 on the flop, and I backdoor a low, which Cappy told me is prob not clean, about 25% of the time, so that gives me around a 12% equity, and my backdoor flush draw, which adds around 3-4%, for a total of around 15% equity I believe.

Well, what I meant to say is the high isn't clean. The low is fine.Any poker player will tell you you can definitely call one bet with 2 backdoor nut draws, the problem is: once the pot is raised behind you and 3-bet, you have to bail out. It's going to cost you 3 additional bets to even see if you can start your runner-runner magic. The reason the high isn't clean is because of the action in front of you without multiple low cards on the board. You can pray both opponents are on wrap straight draws, but it's not likely. It's far more likely someone has two-pair (or worse, a set) and the other raiser has the wrap draw.You only have 10 spades in the deck, and it's possible-to-likely the Q or Duece of spades are going to make someone a boat (unclean! unclean!). Actually, once the pot is raised behind you, you must assume that you are going to face a potentially capped pot on the turn as well, so only the 4,5,6,7, or 8 of *spades* on the turn is going to make calling the flop profitable. That's 5 out of 45 unseen cards for rough math: 11% chance of getting a "solid" turn card.The bonus to your hand is having such a versitale low that you would need to be counterfeitted twice to not at least gain a share of the nuts, and it's far more likely both your opponents are dealing with high hands, so any low is good for you. Regardless, it's far easier to toss this hand in the muck: you have runner-runner hopes for a high, and runner-runner hopes for a low. If there are 2 spades on this flop, you are essentially in the drivers seat. But with only one spade and one low card on board you need to exit stage left to the insanity behind you. The SB check-calling two bets would be scary enough.. The fact that he check-raised screams impossible strength, unless you have a read on him as an ID 10 Tango.

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The point is that getting 9- 1 makes calling w/ my backdoor low draw alone profitable. The backdoor flush is just icing on the cake. I only added 3-4% equity for the flush draw taking into account that some outs may not be clean (instead of 5% that it normally would be. The 3-4% is actually generously low probably.) But the point is if my backdoor low is good and there are no other low draws, I can't fold a low draw that hits around 25% of the time, which takes half of the pot, making my equity of the low draw around 12%. Add in the 3 or 4 that the flush draw gives me and that means I can't fold my hand for the price I'm getting. I took the 15%, multiplied it by the 72$ in the pot, and got 10.8$. I put in 8 so I make 2.80 by capping this flop. Someone help make sure my math is good. Also I could prob. extend my equity by another percent or 2 for the times that the low draw makes a straight wrap to scooooooooop.

[Cappy37 0]

The point is that getting 9- 1 makes calling w/ my backdoor low draw alone profitable. The backdoor flush is just icing on the cake. I only added 3-4% equity for the flush draw taking into account that some outs may not be clean (instead of 5% that it normally would be. The 3-4% is actually generously low probably.) But the point is if my backdoor low is good and there are no other low draws, I can't fold a low draw that hits around 25% of the time, which takes half of the pot, making my equity of the low draw around 12%. Add in the 3 or 4 that the flush draw gives me and that means I can't fold my hand for the price I'm getting. I took the 15%, multiplied it by the 72$ in the pot, and got 10.8$. I put in 8 so I make 2.80 by capping this flop. Someone help make sure my math is good. Also I could prob. extend my equity by another percent or 2 for the times that the low draw makes a straight wrap to scooooooooop.

All right, look at it this way: are you going to eek out any real profit in O8B by taking, say, a 1.5% edge in comparison to the money?The flop math is always deceptive: It's the double bets on the turn with only one card to come that can turn a slight edge into a nightmare. You need one of the 25 potential low cards on the turn to continue. (the two 2's left in the deck don't count, they can cost you a fortune) Your only huge gain to equity is a low spade (5 pulls out an unseen deck of 45). You are 55% to see a low on the turn, and 11% to see a scoopable low on the turn.Once you hit that card, you are in much better shape, but still "drawing" going into the river, and likely for half. If they other two players are going crazy, it's going to cost you dearly to draw.The math can tell you to get involved in the flop, but risking money for such a small edge isn't nearly as enticing as getting your money in with a huge edge in a later hand.