Isap--probably Should Have Folded Pf

[whiterice714 0]

i'm not playing from my comp w/ PT +PAHud so no stats... sorryFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownUTG ($25)MP ($17.15)Hero ($30.85)Button ($25)SB ($59)BB ($76.35)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . 1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds.Flop: ($2.05) , , (2 players)MP checks, Hero bets $1.5, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50.Turn: ($8.05) (2 players)MP checks, Hero checks.River: ($8.05) (2 players)MP bets $5.75, Hero folds.Final Pot: $8.05i figure what can i beat that plays this way... i've been re evaluating my play as of late... i've been in a downswing & feel maybe it's not just variance... PF i should fold this... i know... i figure A K is most likely the way he's played this... possibly K Q / K T as well...i honestly flat the flop trying to fill up...i'm so bad sometimes... i think i should take like a week or two off from poker & re assess my play.... i need all the criticism... i just FEEL like i'm playing bad lately... i have so many leaks... ::sigh::

[StPong 0]

You're playing 6 handed instead of 9, so KJo isn't THAT bad when you have position. Do you have any reads? What kind of range is villain raising with pf? This could AK or KQ, but my guess is actually a pocket pair. If the villain is loose pf it could even be K9 but don't count on it. The problem is that you really haven't forced villain to define his hand and never displayed much strength. He could easily think you've got a mid pocket pair or some kind of ace. If I were the villain I'd c/r you on the flop because it better defines whether you have a K. When you check on the turn though it looks like you floated the min-raise with an ace, or you have middle pair and you just want to check it down. I might re-raise the flop; if he calls or pushes you're probably beat. If I didn't re-raise the flop, I would lead the turn with 3/4 of the pot and fold to a push.

[Gonefishin55 0]

If I had AK i would never check the turn. I would make you pay another buck or two to see the river. I say fold or raise the river. I think he was playing a pocket pair also. QQ or JJ most likely. A hand like this I usually pay to see if I was right or not.

[SCS 0]

Unless villain is opening with a very wide range, I'd fold KJo, even in late position.As played, I like the flop play because if you reraise villain will fold the hands you beat and shove hands that have you crushed.I'd call a bet on the turn and the river.If villain checks one of those streets, like he did on the turn, I'd make a value bet.If you're going to call with KJo you shouldn't play it so passively when you flop a hand. If you're going to play it that way, just save yourself the trouble and fold it preflop.

[Metternich 0]

SCS, if you wouldnt play KJ from late position six handed what do you play? I think you're winning this a lot of the time, that bet could be anything given the amount of weakness you've showed. I call that river.

[NoSup4U 0]

Reraise of fold pf, folding almost always unless the pf raiser is loose and you feel like 3betting. This generally isn't a hand that I like to 3bet with though because it plays poorly vs their range.I play AA, QQ, JJ, and any AT/KT/QT/JT the same way villian does. I think this is a bad fold on the river given that you checked behind on the turn.Mark

[Dubey 1,035]

I don't think calling is that bad preflop against some opponents.I am calling this river almost every time though. Your turn check widens his betting range on the river considerably.

[NoSup4U 0]

I don't think calling is that bad preflop against some opponents.

I think its bad vs most to all opponents. I would basically never call with this hand, you can't play well post flop vs their ep opening range.Mark

[SCS 0]

SCS, if you wouldnt play KJ from late position six handed what do you play? I think you're winning this a lot of the time, that bet could be anything given the amount of weakness you've showed. I call that river.

Against a raise, any pair, AJ+, KQs, 57s+, 34s+, Axs. How much of this range I'd actually play is dependent on a lot of factors.KJo just doesn't play well against most villains' raises.If it was folded to me or limped I'd definitely raise KJo from late postion.

[danc1984 0]

SCS, if you wouldnt play KJ from late position six handed what do you play? I think you're winning this a lot of the time, that bet could be anything given the amount of weakness you've showed. I call that river.

Playing KJ to an EP raise is very very bad play.But yeah, you need to call the river, there is no way he puts you on a K here.

[Zach6668 513]

Folding this river is fucking gross after checking the turn.Checking the turn is pretty dumb too.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Defines weak tight.

[dms26 3]

i think i should take like a week or two off from poker & re assess my play....

I agree if this is your mindset, to just check fold here is sooo weak. AK, KQ and TT are realistically the only hands ahead of you, even a tight player could have AA, QQ, KJ, JJ maybe even somthing like AT. A more aggressive player might be making this move with a much wider range of hands since once he raised on the flop you played it very weak. I think you're ahead here so often its sick.You have to pay this off just about every time unless the guy is just ubertight, but in that case just fold the KJo preflop. Are you playing that hand to flop KKJ or AQT?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

This river merits at least a call after you play it that passively on the flop/turn..

[Snamuh 0]

Based on how you played turn you ABSOLUTELY have to call river. He's check/min-raising with a wide range there. Think of it this way: if you have AK, you check/minraise and your opponent calls. What is he calling with? Most likely a hand that caught a piece of that board, like a King. So am I slowing down on the turn? Absolutely not. This is a must call.

[Snamuh 0]

BTW I should add that I consider the preflop call a big leak.

[AimHigher 0]

BTW I should add that I consider the preflop call a big leak.

Why? I think this is reasonable with position providing you feel you can outplay your opponent after the flop. Plus 6 handed their range will be wider anyway.

[danc1984 0]

Why? I think this is reasonable with position providing you feel you can outplay your opponent after the flop. Plus 6 handed their range will be wider anyway.

KJ is an ordinary hand. Against an EP raise, its total rubbish. By playing it you will lose money.

[AimHigher 0]

Based on how you played turn you ABSOLUTELY have to call river. He's check/min-raising with a wide range there. Think of it this way: if you have AK, you check/minraise and your opponent calls. What is he calling with? Most likely a hand that caught a piece of that board, like a King. So am I slowing down on the turn? Absolutely not. This is a must call.

Agreed, even if hero didn't have a king this pot is absolutely ripe for a steal. I would be putting a good sized bet in on the turn after he checks the T with many different hands.There is even merit to a raise on this river, but a call is definitely safer. It's likely Villain is firing with an underpair after we checked behind him on the turn.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

So, preflop aside..You played this hand to flop straights/two pair/trips..Mission accomplished. Don't play like a Nancy.

[AimHigher 0]

KJ is an ordinary hand. Against an EP raise, its total rubbish. By playing it you will lose money.

You don't think we can steal pots like this away a large enough percentage of the time for it to be profitable? I am not saying I am going to take a flop every single time in this spot but I think it is a move you can mix in.

[Danny Dingleberry 0]

i think i should take like a week or two off from poker & re assess my play....

this is not a bad idea at all... you don't even need to reassess your play at all. just take a break from poker full stop (period). (for two weeks that is... don't even bother thinking about poker). you'll come back to the table feeling refreshed and ready to go. kinda like when you go on holiday from work. you come back feeling relaxed, rested, and end up being more productive.

[Zach6668 513]

KJ is an ordinary hand. Against an EP raise, its total rubbish. By playing it you will lose money.

Especially if you play it like this postflop....(bazing)

[danc1984 0]

Especially if you play it like this postflop....(bazing)

LOL. Very true.Seriously though, there was no need for the OP to even post this hand. He is fully aware that he played it very badly.

[Zach6668 513]

LOL. Very true.Seriously though, there was no need for the OP to even post this hand. He is fully aware that he played it very badly.

Well no... sucking balls and not recognizing it is probably the best reason to post a hand.