The Lobster 0 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Do I just call in this situation or should I be scared of the hearts and raise to weed out any flush draws?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)saw flop|saw showdownSB ($200)Hero ($403.15)UTG ($45)MP ($116.40)CO ($263.45)Button ($57.70)Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , Q . UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($9) J , T , K (4 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $8, Button folds, Hero ????Bob Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 c/r for about $20 more. Most people don't limp into a pot with AQ... Link to post Share on other sites
HijackedAffairs 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'd raise to about 30. Calling is bad since there are so many bad turn cards. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 This one depends on MP... and my own image. I'm clueless about MP so i'd have to go off of what players would think of myself at the table.If I'm being agressive at this table (which you may very well be since you've got the table out stacked, I may just shove here. It looks a lot like a flush draw / air, and barring odd circumstances we're paying off a limped A-Q anyway which is here like 0.001% of the time anyway.If I've been small balling I'd just min-raise, again to make it look like a FD or top pair-weak kicker. If a heart hit the turn and this path is taken... so be it.If I've been passive so far, I wouldn't change a thing and just flat call... wait to c-raise on the turn... and if your action dies so be it.Basically I'd want to try to widen their range... if you c-raise to 20 or 30, which is standard for strong hands, you're probably not getting any more action from anything less than 2 pair... which will call/play back at you anyway. A check raise from the BB is a pretty scary thing basically.But ppl will tell you not to listen to this... it's admittedly donktastic advice. But temporary nuts likes to play his temporary nuts (ok second nuts but for all intents and purposes the temp nuts) like a man crazy d00d. Link to post Share on other sites
The Lobster 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 This one depends on MP... and my own image. I'm clueless about MP so i'd have to go off of what players would think of myself at the table.Should have included this in OP:This was only my 11th hand with MP, but he already had a tendency of betting/bluffing on the flop for each pot he entered (5 out of 10). UTG was running at a VPIP of 60 though just under 100 hands. So both players could have a pretty wide range there. My play had been pretty TAG. Bob Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Raises to $30, If he has air he will fold, but KJ, KT, K9, KQ will all call a raise here, they are all limpable and we want to make him pay to get to the turn. Lots of difficult cards can fall making it hard to play OOP (J, T, 9, K, A). Link to post Share on other sites
AbsolutKnuts 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I think a pot size raise here is the correct move. If he is on a flush draw you dont want to make it cheap for him to outdraw you, but also if his flush matures you dont want to feel overcomitted either. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I raise for value here, to around $24ish, build the pot when you have a hand so that your bet can be bigger on the turn. He has trouble getting away from any 2pr hand and any combo draw hand, lets try and stack those. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Definitely bump this to 30ish. Get value out of sets, two pairs, flush draws + pairs, etc. Do your best to jam this pot and get all-in. If he has AQ (extremely unlikely), you have backdoor spades! Link to post Share on other sites
The Lobster 0 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thanks all. Thats all pretty much what I was thinking (after the hand was over). Ended up slow playing like a donk (as it is one of the leaks in my game), luckily I was playing against an extra horrible one. Here's how she ended:SB ($200)Hero ($403.15)UTG ($45)MP ($116.40)CO ($263.45)Button ($57.70)Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , Q .UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($9) J , T , K (4 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $8, Button folds, Hero calls $8, UTG calls $8.Turn: ($33) 2 (3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $60, UTG folds, MP raises to $100, Hero raises to $140, MP calls $6.40 (All-In).River: ($245.80) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $245.80Results in white below:Hero has 9s Qs (straight, king high).MP has 5d 8d (high card, king).Outcome: Hero wins $279.40. Bob Link to post Share on other sites
Danny Dingleberry 0 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 what?!?!?! am I reading that right?!?!?!is this game still going? I want in!! Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 He actually makes an atrocious call there for his last $6.40. Link to post Share on other sites
Roberts2003 0 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 hahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nice hand, but still raise that flop. Too many players in and too many draws out there/cards that kill your hand and action. Link to post Share on other sites
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