Dictius 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)CO ($9.15)Button ($12.75)SB ($7.60)BB ($10.50)UTG ($9.75)Hero ($13.30)Preflop: Hero is MP with , . UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.35.Flop: ($1.05) , , (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $0.7, UTG raises to $5, Hero raises to $10??Final Pot: $19.66 Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If you're going to raise shove is your only option.How loose is utg? The only hand I'd be worried about here is J-10. We're ahead of everything else, especially A-Q and the FD. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much.then shove don't min raise. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 then shove don't min raise.he's betting enough to put villain all-in Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)CO ($9.15)Button ($12.75)SB ($7.60)BB ($10.50)UTG ($9.75)Hero ($13.30)Preflop: Hero is MP with , . UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.35.Flop: ($1.05) , , (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $0.7, UTG raises to $5, Hero raises to $10??Final Pot: $19.66If you're going with the hand, push instead of min-raise to 10. I rarely like going down swinging with bottom two though on this board. Too too much out there waiting for you. Bottom two is more likely good on a Q46 flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Learn to read HH's people. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Learn to read HH's people.it's the math that gives me problems.. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Learn to read HH's people.Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them Link to post Share on other sites
Spence 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 How it's played I get it all in as well. That raise doesn't scream JT. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them Huh? It doesn't matter if I minraise or shove, all the money goes is?Betting $5 into $1.7 seems like he is trying to get me to fold right? The most likely hand I put him on was overcards + flushdraw or a weak Q with a flush draw.I thought for a while about JT but decided that it was unlikely, but possible. The bet seemed too big to be JT. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.MarkBecause there's only $3 difference between a min-raise and a shove, I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well I made people's head's explode... I think my work in this thread is complete Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 sure, i run into JT (also worst case scenarios: Q9s/Q8s posibilities, although unlikely since we have 8 & 9) here a good amount... but i also run into QJ / QT / KQ(? depends... some players raise this UTG, others limp it) here alot as well....this is usually not A Q, but again, i've seen players limp AK / AQ before... the guy just bet like 60% of his stack as a raise, i believe if you're thinking of continuing on w/ this hand it's got to get in the middle right now... that's where it's gonna end up if hero flats this reraise anyways... villain's shoving like 120% of turn cards if hero flats this... might as well stick it in now... i probably pay this off & just ship it in right here... Link to post Share on other sites
AbsolutKnuts 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I would put him on top pr with flush draw. Hard to get away from this, i'd raise him all-in and hope he doesn't outdraw me. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I would put him on top pr with flush draw..Based on what? Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.Marklol, implied sw. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I put him on a hand I can beat every time because that way I can justify going OMG 2 PAIR ALL EEEEEENFYP Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 The guy called and had Q8, so I was drawing pretty thin. I was hoping he was over valuing top pair and trying to fold out any draws with his over bet or playing some flush or combo draw fast hoping top pair would fold.Calling is not an option as all the money would be going in on the turn if I just called, so it's either a raise all in or fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 When he raises that much, this is an easy shove becuase he'll show up with a draw a TON of the time here. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much.Even though ti's only over 11 hands, a number as high as 77% VPIP still means something. If it were closer to 40 or even 50%, I'd say that he was probably just on a nice little rush. Playing 8 of 11 hands is pretty loose. Link to post Share on other sites
Danny Dingleberry 0 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 q8, the q stands for quality starting hand. Link to post Share on other sites
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