RGreen 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($57)UTG ($99)UTG+1 ($111.60)MP1 ($114.95)MP2 ($98.50)Hero ($124.05)Button ($35)SB ($43.65)Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, 3. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold.Flop: ($10) 2, K, 3(3 players)SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5, UTG+1 calls $5.Turn: ($25) Q(3 players)SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $14, SB folds, UTG+1 raises to $103.6 (All-In), Any comments about anything appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites
HubDub04 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 99% of the time NO.But there is a 1% where you know the player/have a read on him, and have a strong feeling he has a set of kings. Link to post Share on other sites
staggo 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Fold 0% of the time in a .50/1 game Link to post Share on other sites
Roo6339 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think he has KQ a lot in this spot, though QQ is very possible too. There's no way you can fold this though. Link to post Share on other sites
RGreen 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 I knew he loved his hand and I even thought he played it like KK, but still I've seen people do things that didnt seem plausible so I couldn't make myself fold.Hero calls $89.60.River: ($0) 3(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $232.20He showed KKWas just wondering if I played this hand profitably long term. I have been set under set a lot lately so I'm wondering if there people out there who are folding these on the flop/safe turn. Link to post Share on other sites
RGreen 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Sorry Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I never fold sets unless there's some overpowering indication that I'm beat, like 4 to a straight on the board. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Any comments about anything appreciated.No ... I don't think so. There's two hands that beat you and neither one of them should be panicking about anything. This is usually KQ.Villain played this like crap. Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Villain didn't play it that badly. No sense blowing people off their hands with top set on a K32 rainbow board. Turn puts some very unlikely draws out there, but the Hero has shown that he will likely bet again. The push is a little overkill, but will draw curious calls a lot from worse hands. Possibly even hands like AK. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 hmmm I am not as optimistic about my set of 3s in this spot, especially if this player is at all decent. The open pre flop check on such a ragged flop always has me weary of my hands, especially when the turn card is an under and my opp moves it in. I think you'll see way more sets played like this than ak or kq. Why would the villain just go nuts for 100 bb on a bluff in this weird spot?? Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 At .50/1.00 this is AA, AK, KQ, 22 as easily as it is KK or QQ.Ship the chips in, you will profit in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely.LOL /// Link to post Share on other sites
Roberts2003 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 hmmm I am not as optimistic about my set of 3s in this spot, especially if this player is at all decent. The open pre flop check on such a ragged flop always has me weary of my hands, especially when the turn card is an under and my opp moves it in. I think you'll see way more sets played like this than ak or kq. Why would the villain just go nuts for 100 bb on a bluff in this weird spot??because people suck Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Set over Set doesn't exist. Having said that, I never fold a set, if a set is the winning hand. You can fold sets on drawsheavy boards.But keep in mind: Set over Set doesn't exist. It's just a ferritale. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'd be far more inclined to fold a set on a dry board than on a drawy board, unless you meant the draws already got there... Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I break my wrist calling this. Then I break my fingers punching a wall if I'm beaten (sw). Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 , unless you meant the draws already got there...yepp, like 4 to a straight and so on. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Set over Set doesn't exist. Having said that, I never fold a set, if a set is the winning hand. You can fold sets on drawsheavy boards.But keep in mind: Set over Set doesn't exist. It's just a ferritale.really? wish you told the FTP software designers that little rule of thumb before i got stacked TWICE today by this mythical occurance... Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 If an opponent has a set here, it is going to be very rare that they over shove the turn, as they never want to miss value with such a big hand. Especially after he slow played the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely.... best... post... ever...SUCCEED Link to post Share on other sites
Lip Is Fat 0 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Fold 0% of the time in a .50/1 gameYa i agree there is a chance that set over set is possible but not likley i dont see a fold being the right move there. Link to post Share on other sites
IAGTTAYM 0 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 This is a insta call for 110bbs... Link to post Share on other sites
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