scram 1 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I mean, pound for pound, you would think that a bunch of 'open minded' people such as those that can regularly be seen frequenting the religion forum would be interested in a 'diverse' dialog. Wouldn't ya say?Yet this forum is almost entirely populated (save for the occasional digression) with threads on one single religion, or, the overall theme of the discussion on "religion" invariably slants back towards the Christian faith.Where's the talk about the Jews?How about the Hindus?I have yet to see a strident Atheist lament over the "stupid mindless Taoists".Any answers here?Are we going to cop out and say "well, since that's the predominant religion where I live, that's the only one I really want to whine about..." or is it something more?(Answer: It's something more) Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Because the majority of the western world is christian, and the majority of the users are from the western hemisphere?It's kind of hard to talk about something you really don't know much about..Edit: I can see you put that in your post.. but honestly.. you enter a forum where the dominant population is muslim, they are going to be talking about the Quaran (sp).. It's not that we aren't open minded, it's just what are we suppose to debate about in the islamic religion or any other religion for that matter? I doubt most of us study the Quaran like we do the bible.. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Because Voodoo is real and too scary to speak out against Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Where's the talk about the Jews?How about the Hindus?It's really not something more. If the majority of people in America were Hindus, we were be laughing about people worshiping Shiva and cows and such. If the majority of people were Taoists and Taoists ruled the White House and Congress, we would be mocking people for worshiping rocks and plants and such. There's nothing about Christianity that makes it worse than other religions (expect for maybe all the fag bashing and all that good stuff). I would argue that the pure philosophy of Christianity (aside from all the god stuff) is pretty good. But the 6,000 year old Earth stuff hurts it. The same would go if we worshiped Odin. The "world on a turtle's back" stuff would hurt it.I know you want to be unique and show that atheists are hypocrites or whatever, but really it really kinda is the fact that the majority of religious people in the western world are Christian. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 It's really not something more. If the majority of people in America were Hindus, we were be laughing about people worshiping Shiva and cows and such. If the majority of people were Taoists and Taoists ruled the White House and Congress, we would be mocking people for worshiping rocks and plants and such. There's nothing about Christianity that makes it worse than other religions (expect for maybe all the fag bashing and all that good stuff). I would argue that the pure philosophy of Christianity (aside from all the god stuff) is pretty good. But the 6,000 year old Earth stuff hurts it. The same would go if we worshiped Odin. The "world on a turtle's back" stuff would hurt it.I know you want to be unique and show that atheists are hypocrites or whatever, but really it really kinda is the fact that the majority of religious people in the western world are Christian. plus the other religions don't have as agressive recruiting policies Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Where's the talk about the Jews?A: I'm going to be the next hitler - I'm going to kill all the jews and 1 clownB: Why the clown?A: See? Noone cares about the jews Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 A: I'm going to be the next hitler - I'm going to kill all the jews and 1 clownB: Why the clown?A: See? Noone cares about the jewsI laughed. I guess that makes me a bad person.Why do I get the feeling Scram is about to try and introduce us to Scientology? Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Jews don't get into arguments like this because they don't care about recruiting other people or "showing them the light". In fact, I'm guessing most jews don't even want other people to convert (unless it's because of a marriage). I'm also assuming that, like me, most of the jews on this forum are fairly non-commital about religion in general (other than thinking Christians are kind of crazy).Now, will all the Muslims present please raise your hands? Hindus? Buddhists? Rastafarians? Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Jews don't get into arguments like this because they don't care about recruiting other people or "showing them the light". In fact, I'm guessing most jews don't even want other people to convert (unless it's because of a marriage). I'm also assuming that, like me, most of the jews on this forum are fairly non-commital about religion in general (other than thinking Christians are kind of crazy).Now, will all the Muslims present please raise your hands? Hindus? Buddhists? Rastafarians?I have a couple Bob Marley albums - can I have a medical marijauna card now? Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 The american government sees to care about the jews. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 The american government sees to care about the jews.What does that have to do with anything?I have a couple Bob Marley albums - can I have a medical marijauna card now?From what I hear this would be enough to get you one in many areas in Cali. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 It's really not something more. If the majority of people in America were Hindus, we were be laughing about people worshiping Shiva and cows and such. If the majority of people were Taoists and Taoists ruled the White House and Congress, we would be mocking people for worshiping rocks and plants and such. There's nothing about Christianity that makes it worse than other religions (expect for maybe all the fag bashing and all that good stuff). I would argue that the pure philosophy of Christianity (aside from all the god stuff) is pretty good. But the 6,000 year old Earth stuff hurts it. The same would go if we worshiped Odin. The "world on a turtle's back" stuff would hurt it.I know you want to be unique and show that atheists are hypocrites or whatever, but really it really kinda is the fact that the majority of religious people in the western world are Christian. World on the back of a turtle? Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 World on the back of a turtle?does that idea make you shell-shocked? Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,759 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 stuffIf I had to guess... I would say that if this site were based in Egypt and the far majority of the people that posted here were Arabs.... that the majority of the threads in the religion forum would have something to do with Islam. Also, as for Christians being the only ones that want you to convert... maybe that because we actually care about you guys and don't want you to be eternally separated from your Creator. It's very funny to me that people get so uptight with a group that has nothing to gain, and is only trying to help you. What in the world am I going to gain by anyone on this board starting a personal relationship with Christ. Nothing. .... but the person gains eternal life with God... and that's important enough for me to keep being incessantly ridiculed. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If I had to guess... I would say that if this site were based in Egypt and the far majority of the people that posted here were Arabs.... that the majority of the threads in the religion forum would have something to do with Islam. Also, as for Christians being the only ones that want you to convert... maybe that because we actually care about you guys and don't want you to be eternally separated from your Creator. It's very funny to me that people get so uptight with a group that has nothing to gain, and is only trying to help you. What in the world am I going to gain by anyone on this board starting a personal relationship with Christ. Nothing. .... but the person gains eternal life with God... and that's important enough for me to keep being incessantly ridiculed.Nobody said you're evil for wanting others to convert. Just annoying and part of the fuel for debate. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 It's not a cop out. there's just no one to argue with. If ardent taoists wanted to get on here and strenuously support the illogical and absurd "path" then I'd mock them as well. This isn't some jew-run conspiracy by leftist atheists to smear xianity. Arguments need two sides in order to take place, and either Zoroasters are under represented in our forums or they are shy. Xianity is the perfect storm of A) the Dominant western religion and B ) structurally and dogmatically prothelitic, so their members are eager to throw their 2 cents into religious debates. And basically, my objection to xianity applies to all religions as well, so you can just insert "Jainism" if you want to. Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings7 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Scientology is a cult. Tom Cruise is an idiot. Hold on while I go pray to Aliens. Link to post Share on other sites
pele_br 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Scientology is a cult. Tom Cruise is an idiot. Hold on while I go pray to Aliens.What precisely differentiates Christianity and Scientology, making one a religion and the other a cult? Seriously. This is mind boggling. It has also been discussed somewhere else that by our definition of Alien, God would also be an alien. Would you at least agree with that statement? I'm going to repeat myself, but I'm expecting at least one Christian here to acknowledge that when Chrisianity started it was a cult in the same way that Scientology is considered a cult rather than a religion. I don't want to debate the semantics of the words "religion" and "cult". I think it is pretty clear that most-if not all-atheists/agnostics can dismiss Scientology just as easily as they can do it for Christianity/Islam/Judaism. It has been said over and over again, but we just tend to go one step further than any religious person. A religious person is just one religion away from becoming an atheist."In my club, I will splash the pot whenever... the ****... I please!" (insert Russian accent) Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 What precisely differentiates Christianity and Scientology, making one a religion and the other a cult? Seriously. This is mind boggling. It has also been discussed somewhere else that by our definition of Alien, God would also be an alien. Would you at least agree with that statement? I'm going to repeat myself, but I'm expecting at least one Christian here to acknowledge that when Chrisianity started it was a cult in the same way that Scientology is considered a cult rather than a religion. I don't want to debate the semantics of the words "religion" and "cult". I think it is pretty clear that most-if not all-atheists/agnostics can dismiss Scientology just as easily as they can do it for Christianity/Islam/Judaism. It has been said over and over again, but we just tend to go one step further than any religious person. A religious person is just one religion away from becoming an atheist."In my club, I will splash the pot whenever... the ****... I please!" (insert Russian accent) Christianity: won't ask you to apply for credit cards to finance your salvation.Jesus doesn't care if you have bad credit. Christianity: won't hook you up to a machine and measure imaginary waves of conciousness. Christianity: won't alienate you from your family. Now, this is one that will be contested,but only because many christians take what they do to far. Christianity: doesn't mind criticism,rather it invites it,openly. You should never see christians whineing in court because soemone is diparaging them. That is supposed to come with the territory. If you haven't figured it out by now what makes it a cult is not the message as much as it is the method. Kapeesh? Most of all what makes it a cult is the fact that I really don't like talking about it out in the open like this. These are powerful people and if they fell like it they will bring the pain. I guess I can kiss my acting career goodbye. Wait,being a fat ass already did that for me. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Christianity: won't ask you to apply for credit cards to finance your salvation.Jesus doesn't care if you have bad credit.True. You are expected to give to the church though.Christianity: won't hook you up to a machine and measure imaginary waves of conciousness.Who are you to say those machines don't work? I'm going to take a wild guess that you have no idea how they're supposed to work. I don't either, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that they measure some kind of magnetic wave eminating from each person that does show measurable differences in personality. At least no more out of the realm of possibility than a man coming back from the dead. Christianity: won't alienate you from your family. Now, this is one that will be contested,but only because many christians take what they do to far.Scientologists would probably argue the same...that it only alienates you if it's taken too far. Christianity: doesn't mind criticism,rather it invites it,openly. You should never see christians whineing in court because soemone is diparaging them. That is supposed to come with the territory.This is a joke, right? How many people thoughout history have been tortured or killed for criticizing the Christian church?Obviously that was a few hundred years ago, but even today Christians seem to get up in arms about almost anything.If you haven't figured it out by now what makes it a cult is not the message as much as it is the method.I agree with this. I actually consider Scientology to be a business just as much as it is a cult. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 True. You are expected to give to the church though.Who are you to say those machines don't work? I'm going to take a wild guess that you have no idea how they're supposed to work. I don't either, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that they measure some kind of magnetic wave eminating from each person that does show measurable differences in personality. At least no more out of the realm of possibility than a man coming back from the dead. Scientologists would probably argue the same...that it only alienates you if it's taken too far. This is a joke, right? How many people thoughout history have been tortured or killed for criticizing the Christian church?Obviously that was a few hundred years ago, but even today Christians seem to get up in arms about almost anything.I agree with this. I actually consider Scientology to be a business just as much as it is a cult. True. Participate in a collection and give to the Church, to be used for needy saints. Biblically, saints are gods chosen,or his followers. Biblically the church is also not an entity but it's members make up the body- so, giving to the Church is nothing more than giving to another christian in some capacity. Point taken. The machines may work. Actually,scientologist have a policy that states that you cut off your family if they become to critical. Seriously. None. When catholocism took over,plenty,but at that point christians boogied for the hills for lack of better terms. A true christian would not kill for Christ,he would rather be killed never raising a finger. Mainstream christianity-which,as you know,I contend is not christianity at all- I agree that they get up in arms left and right,but biblically this was not how it was supposed to be. When it comes to arguments,debates, confrontation Christ illustrated outs, cast not your pearls before the swine,turn the other cheek,etc. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Actually,scientologist have a policy that states that you cut off your family if they become to critical. Seriously.Scary. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Actually,scientologist have a policy that states that you cut off your family if they become to critical. Seriously.so? the bible implies the same thing for christians Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 so? the bible implies the same thing for christiansActually it says if you are married to an unbeliever, stay with them since you help sanctify the children.And that you owe your parents respect regardless of their faithSo this is not implied in the Bible, maybe in some sects of Christianity, but not in the Bible Link to post Share on other sites
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