I Feel Really Bad For Scotty Nguyen

[Hiles Mall 0]

i think greg raymer has definitely established himself... after winning it then coming up like 40th the next year out of the largest field yet.. very impressive. also he won that WCOOP online event lol so shows he wasn't all luck.

[Chisox6 0]

I think the Main Event final tables the last couple of years have produced many good players. 2004- Greg Raymer, David Williams, Josh Arieh(sort of), Dan Harrington (obviously was great before),Al Krux(3rd main event final table) Marcel Luske (10th). 2005- Joe Hachem, Andy Black, Matusow. 2006- Jamie Gold, Paul Wasicka, Michael Binger, Allen Cunningham. All of these players have had considerable success before or after the final table so obviously good players are getting there and it isn't a complete fluke.

[scram 1]

Poker is a game of skill with an element of chance.Unlike games of pure skill where the "best" can be determined as a matter of fact, one single poker tournament, even if it calls itself "championship" can never truly crown "the best" and will always afford a 'chance' to players of a lesser caliber.Asking "when has the main event crowned the best player in poker' is a question that fails in every way, right from the outset. If it's exclusivity you want, the 50K HORSE has that sewn up. The buy-in is high enough to cull most of the riff-raff and the mixed games dynamic limits it to people who posses a broader skill-set (aka- "better players")IMO, a $50,000 NLHE championship should exist as well. The fact that the buy-in for the world championship hasn't changed since it was conceived (back when a poker player with $10K to spend on a single tourney was a rare thing) is a gaping hole in the overall concept.The point of a poker championship isn't to be inclusive. It's to be EXCLUSIVE. It's to be limited to those players who have huge sums of money they're willing to risk on behalf of their own opinion that they're better than the others. $10K just isn't as profound a sum of money as it once was. The single metric that measures the success of a poker player is money. When you assume to crown a poker champion based on the results of a tournament that 'anyone' can afford to buy in to, it doesn't achieve the intent of the tournament. I would actually be all for a $100,000 buy-in main event. Yes, it would only draw a couple hundred guys, but then, you would really know that you were watching the best play against the best.

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

Sorry, I think I kind of hi-jacked your thread.... oops.Back to Scotty, it looked like Hilm was super-aggressive and Scotty was tired of his shit. He hit his set of 5's and I don't think anyone here is folding TPTK in a blind vs. blind with an idiot like that. Bad luck and bad timing happens to the best of us. And yeah, I am sick of seeing queefs like Jamie Gold and Jerry Yang win so much $$$. **** it, make it a $100,000 buy-in.

[scram 1]

Bear in mind, if you made it a $100K buy, there are a lot of "big name" pros who wouldn't be able to afford it, either.Scotty would probably be one of them (although he would be one that could sell off enough action to hustle up a stake).

[HubDub04 0]

If it were 100k, ALL of the name pros would be in it. If all the broke pros in the world can get bought into high stakes poker, then they can EASILY be bought into a World Seriois Of Poker Main Event.All you retards who think differently are, um, retards.

[blakheart 3]

Back to the op's comment.Anyone think Scotty was just trying to run over the table? They were playing 5 or 6 handed. Probably a few players were squeezing so tight they wanted to get to the final table. As much as it looked bad that he blew 17mill, he had nothing to start the day and ran over the table to get those chips. Jamie Gold won mostly by having half the chips in play when they hit the final table. If Hilm dosen't have a set (in a blind vrs blind matchup) Scotty collects a bunch more chips and hits the final table as chip leader. I know he was sick afterwards, but I like the strategy of picking on the tight players near a bubble, and the main event final table bubble is a serious bubble.Don't be so results oriented, his strategy seems very sound to me.

[vbnautilus 48]

Back to the op's comment.Anyone think Scotty was just trying to run over the table? They were playing 5 or 6 handed. Probably a few players were squeezing so tight they wanted to get to the final table. As much as it looked bad that he blew 17mill, he had nothing to start the day and ran over the table to get those chips. Jamie Gold won mostly by having half the chips in play when they hit the final table. If Hilm dosen't have a set (in a blind vrs blind matchup) Scotty collects a bunch more chips and hits the final table as chip leader. I know he was sick afterwards, but I like the strategy of picking on the tight players near a bubble, and the main event final table bubble is a serious bubble.Don't be so results oriented, his strategy seems very sound to me.

Scotty went all in with AQ on a board of Q65K. Second pair. Hilm didn't need to have a set to beat him.

[chgocubs99 0]

Please stop dissecting the hand. You weren't at the table. You can't say any plays were good or bad based on what they edited for TV. These guys were probably playing for dozens of hours and you are judging that play based on the ONE hand they show and he busts. AND YOU CAN SEE THE FRIGGIN HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE TIME. Just stop. If you want to say "It was ultra-agressive, perhaps to the point of wreckless" then go ahead. But quit breaking it down further than that.

[OrzyVibe 0]

IMO, Scotty's ego got in the way a bit. There's no doubt that watching it on TV and being there are two very different things...and who knows how any of us would have played it. BUT....Scotty could have cruised. And he just blew those chips off. And every time Scotty won a pot, he'd start posturing and boasting...definitely playing up to the cameras. My guess is that being one of the last 'name' pros, you have some pressure to perform and outplay the 'amateurs'. That caused him to kind of implode.

[biggswolll 0]

Im actually quite impressede with his run at the FT. He had a mountain of chips and he lost them, it happens. As for feeling sorry for him, no. I mean, can you ask yourself seriously if you can feel sorry for someone who does what he loves for a living, and seems to enjoy it every time he does it, and anwer yes? I dont think you can. Just my 2 cents.

[Mercury69 3]

When in the last twenty plus years has the Main Event crowned the best player in the game?

I concur with 1997, even though Stu was already destroyed by coke...he may have been the best, most natural talent the game has ever seen.

[Yahkin 0]

Making the buyin higher will not guarantee that the field only consists of good poker players...it will just guarantee that the field is a bunch of rich people. Every year the ME has big name movie stars, rock stars, boxers, sports stars, etc. Money is no object to them and they go for the prestige. 100k buyin for them is no different than the 10k it is now.

[Alex916F 0]

I think that scotty has shown a pattern of blowing up in televised tournies late. how long did it take him to win a wpt? he got to the FT so many times sometimes with big chip leads and blew them cuz he gets caught up in the moment and overplays things, forces things to happen or just plain refuses to fold. as for the AQ hand it was definately an unnecessary c/r on the turn cuz he is only getting called if he is beat. no matter what though with that hand he was going to lose a decent amount of chips. and then his subsequent push with his flush draw is pretty standard, if the dude doesnt have a K or AA it is really hard for him to call. didn't see how deep both of them were which would come into play but pushing with flushes is pretty standard, he even had backdoor straight draws as well :)i feel bad for the dude cuz i think he is really fun to watch and likely the best left in the field and i think it would be pretty sick to have a previous champ come and win now that the fields are so huge.

[Balloon guy 158]

First you need to define what is a poker player in order to decide who's best.If it's highest buy in, then Bill Gates is best.If it's best money management, maybe it's Doyle or Sexton.If it's most gamble then Farha.If it's best decision making then it could be some random internet guy that plays low stakes.If it's the best poker player to enter a tournament that day, then it's the guy at the end.Personally I think it's Daniel Negreanu, but I'm partial to Canadian vegans who shave their head so they look like their chihuahuas. Always have been

[Sheiky 0]

Hilm made 13th in the EPT ME last yeat so despite looking bad on TV sometimes i think we have to give him some credit.When i read the thread title i thought it was going to be about his brother dieing the day after he won the ME, which should gain more empathy than a giant spew.

[Canuckickstan 2]

It sure is entertaining to watch Scotty play. I watched it with a bunch of friends who don't play and everybody love Scotty baby. Next weeks show will be a let down.

[flyingdonkey 0]

It sure is entertaining to watch Scotty play. I watched it with a bunch of friends who don't play and everybody love Scotty baby. Next weeks show will be a let down.

At least we still got the HORSE tournament and more Kenny Tran bashing to look foward to...

[HubDub04 0]

They're showing the HORSE next?

[TheWynn 0]

I really didnt care to much for Hilm either. It came off like he was kind of antagonizing Scotty when he started to spew.But I dont really think he meant to be. I felt bad for Scotty as well. I'da loved to see him in the mix at that final table.

[Painter567 0]

They're showing the HORSE next?

Si'

[showstopper24 0]

They're showing the HORSE next?

Yes.

[JoeyJoJo 18]

They're showing the HORSE next?

是

[ObeyTheDog 0]

LOL. Poker is so different from a ranking standpoint than any other televised sport.It's a lot like the PGA tour. Just because one pro golfer won the Masters, does that make him the best? Or does the winner of the Fed Ex cup become the best?It's the same way in poker. Carlos M. won the WPT Championship. Does that make him the best player on the WPT? No.What it does is legitimize your place in poker history with every big win you achieve.It's not like Football, Baseball, Basketball etc, where you win the Super Bowl and are the best team that year. It's a shit ton more complicated.-But you already knew that i'm sure.

IMHO, winning the Super Bowl doesn't make you the best team either. It's a little more black and white, yes, but I still think a lot of "best teams" were ousted in the past, and not as great of teams rose up to the occasion. It all comes down to bucks.

[koepsy 0]

Keep the 10k NL, but have a 25k NL and call that the "main event". It's a joke now.

10K or 25K it will still be full of people who won their seat playing super satellites for $5 or something.The 50K HORSE is the main event now even if the WSOP or ESPN wont acknowledge it.People can still satellite into the HORSE event but the skill of a well rounded pro will crush them pretty easily.