psujohn 0 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB ($10.60)Hero ($24.05)UTG+1 ($7.75)Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 , 6 . 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: ($1.25) 5 , 6 , 8 (5 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.Turn: ($2.50) 6 (5 players)SB bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, UTG+1 raises to $3.5, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls $1.75.River: ($11.25) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3.75 (All-In), Hero calls $3.75.Final Pot: $18.75I hate hands like these.5 limpers and I can't put anyone on a hand.Min bets/raises make it hard to fold.Main villains are so short I tend to commit with weaker holdings.I can't stand hands where I just call/call/call/call.On the flop I think the pot odds dictate a call but it's entirely possible I'm already drawing dead.Can I possibly fold my now improved hand on the turn when SB wakes up suddenly on a paired board?Can I possibly fold the turn when UTG+1 min-raises?I can't find a fold on the river given that villain is so short but a check/call clearly means I think I'm beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I think there's 3 places you can fold.The flop (I still don't take that price against 3 other players)the turn when the SB leads. he's retarded, but he should have had you all crushed here. and when it gets back to you. (although this is probably the hardest time to actually get away from the hand) Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I think there's 3 places you can fold.The flop (I still don't take that price against 3 other players)the turn when the SB leads. he's retarded, but he should have had you all crushed here. and when it gets back to you. (although this is probably the hardest time to actually get away from the hand)Exactly.Don't feel obligated to call a min bet because you got to see a cheap piece of the flop for free.And... when that SB suddenly wakes up on the turn... shouldn't u be asking yourself "what hand does this that I have beat?" Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Getting 9:1 on the flop I think I'd probably call too, but after the turn when you get bet into and then raised back, I'd probably give it up. Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Main villains are so short I tend to commit with weaker holdings.And here I thought I was the only one who did stuff like this. One of my biggest leaks is doing stupid things against short stacks. Cause, their short, if I'm wrong, oh well, its only 30-40 bb's not 100. Flop is sketchy, I admit I probably want to call for a min bet, cause theres short stacks involved and that leads me to do dumb things. As well as my other leak of calling min bets with about ATC's, cause their min bets. Not being in the hand though, 4 people are in the pot in front of us, even if we have the best hand in no way are we the favorite here. Add in 2nd of 5 position wise, we really should fold here, even though its really hard to. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Getting 9:1 on the flop I think I'd probably call too, but after the turn when you get bet into and then raised back, I'd probably give it up.With this hand I wouldn't. Even if you hit either of the cards that help you, you still have a fairly weak hand and could be drawing slim to a flopped straight or set. It's just way to marginal or sub-marginal. Get more value out of your better hands and give up the weak ones. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 This is just a hand where I felt completely trapped into doing things I didn't want to do.On the flop we're getting 9:1 and there's a good chance we have 5 outs. I'm not expecting a lot of hands with a 6 to be in there and 97 or 74 seem even less likely. On the turn I feel trapped because I hit my trips.On the river I feel trapped because villain is so short ... and I have trips.I'm unable to interpret the min bet at this level since I've seen it with the nuts, a weak hand, a draw and air. In retrospect I think when SB leads on the turn it's a fold. He's repping the 6 and any 6 he has is better than mine. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Getting 9:1 on the flop I think I'd probably call too, but after the turn when you get bet into and then raised back, I'd probably give it up.IMO, you're offering significant reverse implied odds to any of your outs though. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 On the flop we're getting 9:1 and there's a good chance we have 5 outs. I'm not expecting a lot of hands with a 6 to be in there and 97 or 74 seem even less likely.9-7s is always the nuts Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 IMO, you're offering significant reverse implied odds to any of your outs though.I wouldn't really say its significant reverse implied odds if you're capable of folding when you make two pair or trips against a lot of action. I'd say it's moderate reverse implied odds. I definately wouldn't be stacking off with trip sixes on this board anyway. If you're capable of folding, RIO are less of a problem, IMO.9-7s is always the nutsYou don't win tournaments unless you play 97s from any position - and I speak from experience. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 I wouldn't really say its significant reverse implied odds if you're capable of folding when you make two pair or trips against a lot of action. I'd say it's moderate reverse implied odds. I definately wouldn't be stacking off with trip sixes on this board anyway. If you're capable of folding, RIO are less of a problem, IMO.Hero stacked off. And if you're not looking to get all your chips in when you hit the strongest hand you could find, you shouldn't be floating regardless of that price. Plus You're only hitting "clean" trips here 1 time out of 20 pulls at the turn anyway. So why call getting 9:1 if 1. you're not looking to get paid off on your strong hands and 2. you're not getting the right price to catch up? It has to be one of them to make the flop call. Link to post Share on other sites
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