question about rounders movie

[poker512 0]

I haven't watched the movie in a couple of years and I just started playing 6 months ago so forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but that's why I am asking it. In the beginning of the movie he lost 30K trying to build a roll to play in the WSOP. Now that I play I know the buy in is 10K. Am I missing something becuase when I originally watched the movie I thought the buy in must be 50 or 100k. If he already has 30, why couldn't he have just taken a shot with that?Thanks

[TorontosOwn 0]

I think when Matt Damon asks for "3 stacks of high society" to gamble, it wasnt so much to bankroll his WSOP dreams, but more so to tackle the local "hard to beat competition" to prove to himself he is ready!..Just my opinion, might not be right 8)

I haven't watched the movie in a couple of years and I just started playing 6 months ago so forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but that's why I am asking it.  In the beginning of the movie he lost 30K trying to build a roll to play in the WSOP.  Now that I play I know the buy in is 10K.  Am I missing something becuase when I originally watched the movie I thought the buy in must be 50 or 100k.  If he already has 30, why couldn't he have just taken a shot with that?Thanks

[Guest]

I think when Matt Damon asks for "3 stacks of high society" to gamble, it wasnt so much to bankroll his WSOP dreams, but more so to tackle the local "hard to beat competition" to prove to himself he is ready!..Just my opinion, might not be right 8)  

I second that opinion. Nothing more than trying to prove to himself that he is really ready to play with the big boys.

[TruePoker 1]

He beat Jonny Chan, wouldn't that mean he was ready?I think he was just building a big enough bank roll to live and play out there to be honest.

[rollito 0]

at the begining of the movie he makes no mention of the wsop....he is just taking a shot at the big game like the previous posters have said....its not until the end of the movie when he is in the cab heading to vegas that he mentions the wsop of poker and that he is taking the 30grand he has left, after taking teddy and paying back his debts, to the wsop.

[rollito 0]

He beat Jonny Chan, wouldn't that mean he was ready?I think he was just building a big enough bank roll to live and play out there to be honest.

The reason he took the shot at the "big game" at teddys was because of that night against J Chan.

[Vanillathunder 0]

You also don't take 1/3 of your bankroll on a one-offer. It's just not justifiable. I always thought that's why he did it.

[akishore 0]

You also don't take 1/3 of your bankroll on a one-offer. It's just not justifiable. I always thought that's why he did it.

if he believed that, he wouldn't have put 3/3 of his bankroll into a NL cash game. :-) aseem

[rollito 0]

You also don't take 1/3 of your bankroll on a one-offer. It's just not justifiable. I always thought that's why he did it.

if he believed that, he wouldn't have put 3/3 of his bankroll into a NL cash game. :-) aseem

"You can't lose what you don't put in the middle.....but you can't win much either"

[deadlysyns 0]

Josh has an very nice journal about taking risk but be level head about it.http://josharieh.com/blog.php?subaction=sh...t_from=&ucat=1&

[Vade 0]

The point was at the beginning of the movie Matt Damon had no street smarts or bankroll management.At the end, he realizes those are important and you should too

[TruePoker 1]

LEsson Learned.

[gcirons 0]

Ok here is my take.the reasons for the thirty thousand1) He was not just playing with his poker bank role, he was playing with his life savings -it was his Law School tuition. So he was not just trying to raise the buy in. He was trying to raise the funds to better himself overall.2) He needed big bank to sit down at the High Stakes table. He couldn't just bring five grand and hope to double up early.3) Third, its a freaken movie relax.Also, what the Hell movtivated KGB to play him at the end of the movie? He walks in with 10 grand -five short of what he owed - and instead of grabbing the ten off him and telling him to f off and come back with the other five in 8 hours, He decided to try and take the 10 thousand he was due with his own money. Where's the logic?

[Chez52 0]

Ever better question about Rounders.....What ever happened to Edward Norton after the game with the cops.....he just kinda disappears and we never learn what happened to him.....im assuming he prob got his ass beat after trying to chear someone and ends up the gutter while Matt Damon wins the World Series of Poker and is on top to the world......Rounders 2 ?????

[Vanillathunder 0]

Ever better question about Rounders.....What ever happened to Edward Norton after the game with the cops.....he just kinda disappears and we never learn what happened to him.....im assuming he prob got his ass beat after trying to chear someone and ends up the gutter while Matt Damon wins the World Series of Poker and is on top to the world......Rounders 2 ?????

Rounders 2 : As the Worm reTurns

[digitalmonkey 929]

What ever happened to Edward Norton after the game with the cops

He became the gimp on Pulp Fiction!

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Ok here is my take.the reasons for the thirty thousand1) He was not just playing with his poker bank role, he was playing with his life savings -it was his Law School tuition. So he was not just trying to raise the buy in. He was trying to raise the funds to better himself overall.2) He needed big bank to sit down at the High Stakes table. He couldn't just bring five grand and hope to double up early.3) Third, its a freaken movie relax.Also, what the Hell movtivated KGB to play him at the end of the movie? He walks in with 10 grand -five short of what he owed - and instead of grabbing the ten off him and telling him to f off and come back with the other five in 8 hours, He decided to try and take the 10 thousand he was due with his own money. Where's the logic?

Actually, the final showdown was probably necessary just for a cool ending, but it really didn't make any sense for more than just the reason you provided. That girl that worked at the one poker place where he owed like 6 grand could have just let him borrow 5 more to pay off the debt you'd think. Since she had a thing for him and all. Then he could just play at that place on credit until his debt was payed off. It would have made way more sense. Too much sense, maybe. Would have been a boring ending.

[clashcityrocker 0]

Ok here is my take.the reasons for the thirty thousand1) He was not just playing with his poker bank role, he was playing with his life savings -it was his Law School tuition. So he was not just trying to raise the buy in. He was trying to raise the funds to better himself overall.2) He needed big bank to sit down at the High Stakes table. He couldn't just bring five grand and hope to double up early.3) Third, its a freaken movie relax.Also, what the Hell movtivated KGB to play him at the end of the movie? He walks in with 10 grand -five short of what he owed - and instead of grabbing the ten off him and telling him to f off and come back with the other five in 8 hours, He decided to try and take the 10 thousand he was due with his own money. Where's the logic?

To answer your final question, see your own reason 3.

[711Buddha 0]

You miss the point of Teddy KGB playing.Think a minute, why did Teddy want to play? He wanted Mike to lose so he owed him more. They weren't going to throw him the trunk of a car and bury him in Jersey. There's no profit in that. (He was gonna get some bones broken certainly.) But Teddy did see that Mike had talent and he could grind out $500/day for Teddy working off what he owed. 15K at 10% a week takes ALOT longer to payoff than 5K. Besides, Teddy wasn't risking anything, it was his 10K already. He was fine until he tilted and played him again.

[razorhate 0]

I think that we can all agree that Mike did not practice good bankroll management

[gcirons 0]

You miss the point of Teddy KGB playing.Think a minute, why did Teddy want to play? He wanted Mike to lose so he owed him more.They weren't going to throw him the trunk of a car and bury him in Jersey. There's no profit in that. (He was gonna get some bones broken certainly.) But Teddy did see that Mike had talent and he could grind out $500/day for Teddy working off what he owed. 15K at 10% a week takes ALOT longer to payoff than 5K. Besides, Teddy wasn't risking anything, it was his 10K already.He was fine until he tilted and played him again.

Such wisdom. I think you explained the best!

[rogermarks 0]

Well, obviously he knows a thing or two about bankroll managment, because.....HAVE YOU SEE THE APARTMENT HE LIVES IN? IT"S GIANT! Knish must pay his drivers really well.

[Scanner313 0]

Here's another question that I haven't figured out yet...When Mike gets to KGB's he has Petrovsky's $10K. He plays KGB heads up and wins, so now he has $20K. They goat him back to the table so now the total purse is $40K.Ok, so now it's down to the final hand. KGB had just told Mike "Should have qvit while ahead. Bad judgement." which to me indicates that Mike is down pretty bad. So, he flops the nut straight, and checks/calls all the way to the river, only to play it like he knows he's beat, so KGB goes all in. Mike calls him and wins all of KGB's roll.Then during the commentary at the end Mike says he won just over $60,000 that night. He paid $15K to KGB, $10K back to Petrovsky and $7K to the Chesterfield which would have left him with his "3 stacks of high society".So, how did Mike win just under $60K when they were playing with only $40K? He said something to KGB like "feel free to reload at any time", but does this mean that KGB got himself more chips mid session? If so, why would he have told Mike that he used bad judgement if Mike was up on him? And he had to be up on him, otherwise he wouldn't have taken KGB completely out with his nut straight call. I just don't get it.Did I miss something here?Oh, and by the way, this is my first post. Forum looks pretty cool. Hey everyone!

[digitalmonkey 929]

And what the hell was in the briefcase?

[dmoneypoker 0]

Mike wanted to go to Vegas and be a full time player. Had he won at KGB's he woulda quit law school, proofed by the line. "All I'm thinking about is Vegas and the censored Mirage". With that being said, 30k is not enough to move out to vegas and play full time (note at the time he got busted, Mike was up about 20k... remember "ok, your 15k plus i have another 33k to raise you.. he had like 50k in front of him yet this wasn't enough for him to walk away! if he won the hand he woulda had like 100k and left). He needed more, which is why he went to KGB's- merely to build his pro bankroll. He knew he was good enough after bluffing Chan- now he just needed the money.Also don't forget the minimum buy in at kgb's game was 25k.... he sat down with 30k and was probably the small stack.Finally don't feel bad for mike when his girl leaves him cuz if he won that hand at kgb's he was ditching her for vegas.