BudBundy 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $57.20UTG+1: $118.80CO: $51.30Button: $39.70Hero: $78.95BB: $50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A Q UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.Flop: Q J 4 ($4, 2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3.15, Hero raises to $10, UTG+1 calls.Turn: 6 ($24, 2 players)Hero bets $14.5, UTG+1 raises to $40, Hero Fold pf?Flat call flop?How should i play this? Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Check-raising TP/TK is a no no Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 In PLO , i am almost always going for a check raise in preflop raised pots. I should quit lose habit in Hold'em.So this is a lead fold? Lead call? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I check/call the flop. Reevaluate on the turn, to be honest.What you don't really want here, is a big pot. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I check/call the flop. Reevaluate on the turn, to be honest.What you don't really want here, is a big pot.you are wise beyond your nationality Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 This is ok as long as you're folding on the turn. Calling preflop is fine, but reraising is good too. The only reason NOT to check/raise this flop is that when you think about his range and what he can call you with, you're never happy.If he has hands like 77+, AK, AQ, KQ, QJ etc, then you're either drawing really slim (against sets and AA, KK, QJ) or he's drawing really slim (with lower pairs, AK, KQ) and that's what we call way ahead/way behind (WA/WB). It's a reason to keep the pot small becuase either one of you drawing out on the other is unlikely and raising will result in them folding hands that you were crushing and reraising hands that crush you.So, as played, fold the turn 100% of the time. Also, with no read, I often am not c/r here. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 This is ok as long as you're folding on the turn. Calling preflop is fine, but reraising is good too. The only reason NOT to check/raise this flop is that when you think about his range and what he can call you with, you're never happy.If he has hands like 77+, AK, AQ, KQ, QJ etc, then you're either drawing really slim (against sets and AA, KK, QJ) or he's drawing really slim (with lower pairs, AK, KQ) and that's what we call way ahead/way behind (WA/WB). It's a reason to keep the pot small becuase either one of you drawing out on the other is unlikely and raising will result in them folding hands that you were crushing and reraising hands that crush you.So, as played, fold the turn 100% of the time. Also, with no read, I often am not c/r here.True. I'd also add that c/r tptk is more of a tournament concept with shorter stacks where the number of pots won almost equates to how many chips your accumulating.that relationship doesn't hold in cash games. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $57.20UTG+1: $118.80CO: $51.30Button: $39.70Hero: $78.95BB: $50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A Q UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.Flop: Q J 4 ($4, 2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3.15, Hero raises to $10, UTG+1 calls.Turn: 6 ($24, 2 players)Hero bets $14.5, UTG+1 raises to $40, Hero Fold pf?Flat call flop?How should i play this?Time to foldoliofoldo. Link to post Share on other sites
D5Greene 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 in my opinion, this is a situation where you want to control the pot size. I would either re-raise to take over control of the hand pre flop, hoping that QQ or better will re-raise you so you can get away from the hand. Or i would smooth call the flop keeping the pot size small so if the player does make a continuation bet, you can re-raise him to show strength to get information or again just smooth call depending on what type of player the UTG is. This sort of hand is hard to get away from, but dont rule out him raising with QJ just because it was suited or something and catching two pair on the flop. You just dont know with some of these players...the fact that you showed strength by check-raising and him not being afraid and trying to go all in after you showed strength on the flop and the turn tells me he has a big hand and is trying to get paid off. either he hit his set, he also has AQ, or he his two pair is what I feel. Link to post Share on other sites
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