albasuna 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 My only read on the BB is that he plays cash games like tournaments. So do I gambool?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($15.50)MP ($37.80)CO ($23.95)Hero ($38)SB ($21.80)BB ($22.90)Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K . 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.Flop: ($1.50) T , 5 , 4 (3 players)SB checks, BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.5, SB folds, BB calls $2.50.Turn: ($8.50) J (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $18.9, Hero ..... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Preflop blows hard.Checking the turn is definitely a decent option. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Preflop blows hard.Checking the turn is definitely a decent option.nothing i could possibly think of would sum that up in such an efficient manner....*edit* raise more pf... i probably check behind on the turn hoping to get there... what range do you assign to villain? put him on like J 10? flush? he's calling PF w/ ATC after SB comes along... he knows you dont have flush after you raise on the flop (technically i guess you could do that w/ fd, but let's assume he's not thinking you're that tricky) idk... def raise more preflop... there's no value in a minraise preflop... unless you're trying to build a pot w/ like 5d6d & hoping to crush the flop... in which case you're still folding all non prime flops... yeah... make it $1+ & if they all fold BFD next hand... Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Why the preflop minraise? He literally could have anything here because of it. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Why the preflop minraise? He literally could have anything here because of it.I was mixing it up a bit and no one was calling anything over 75 cents. I was willing to easily give this hand up but my Kc hooked me. Can someone tell me what pot odds I'm getting? Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 what range do you assign to villain? put him on like J 10? flush?The only good read I had on him was he plays like the chips are tournament chips. To me it seemed like he checked a flush on the turn, so I was just trying to figure out if he held the Ac. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 slightly over 2:1he bet the pot on the turn... after your $5 bet the pot becomes $13.50, he then makes it $18.90, $13.90 on top of your five...the pot becomes ~$32.40 & the raise standing in front of you is $13.9032.40/13.90 = 2.33:1 Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 The only good read I had on him was he plays like the chips are tournament chips. To me it seemed like he checked a flush on the turn, so I was just trying to figure out if he held the Ac.if you think he may have checked the flush then why didn't you check behind trying to get there? he could be c/r w/ 6c7c right there just as soon as he c/r w/ Acxc.... like i said i'm pretty sure he's not putting you on a flush here, unless you had like 10cxc or something... hence even if he has 2c3c he likely thinks he's good... i dont see how betting gained you information to whether he had an Ac or not... all it did was put you in this spot: you're gettin shyttie odds w/ a shyttie draw w/ what used to be a powerful hand and are now faced w/ a tough decision... and how do you mean he plays like they're tourney chips? he's super tight? he steals blinds? he protects his BB? he goes AIPF w/ AKsuited? i'm still a fan of making it around $1 PF... the entire course of the hand would have likely been different...up to the turn, i'm checking behind... as played i fold to this reraise... Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 The only good read I had on him was he plays like the chips are tournament chips.Can you explain that. How does somebody play, like the chips are tournament chips? Link to post Share on other sites
davezz5 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 The way this plays out he could well have a flush draw on fllop. Raise more pre-flop. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 My only read on the BB is that he plays cash games like tournaments. So do I gambool?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($15.50)MP ($37.80)CO ($23.95)Hero ($38)SB ($21.80)BB ($22.90)Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K . 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.Flop: ($1.50) T , 5 , 4 (3 players)SB checks, BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.5, SB folds, BB calls $2.50.Turn: ($8.50) J (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $18.9, Hero .....This sucks. I "mix it up" with AA KK QQ JJ AK like once every time Haley's Comet comes around. If you raise with other hands, you get the value out of raising with a premium hand. If you only raise with premium hands, everyone sniffs you out and you don't get action. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 if you think he may have checked the flush then why didn't you check behind trying to get there? he could be c/r w/ 6c7c right there just as soon as he c/r w/ Acxc.... like i said i'm pretty sure he's not putting you on a flush here, unless you had like 10cxc or something... hence even if he has 2c3c he likely thinks he's good... i dont see how betting gained you information to whether he had an Ac or not... all it did was put you in this spot: you're gettin shyttie odds w/ a shyttie draw w/ what used to be a powerful hand and are now faced w/ a tough decision... and how do you mean he plays like they're tourney chips? he's super tight? he steals blinds? he protects his BB? he goes AIPF w/ AKsuited? i'm still a fan of making it around $1 PF... the entire course of the hand would have likely been different...up to the turn, i'm checking behind... as played i fold to this reraise...at these stakes i found that people tend to freeze up with large bets so i wanted to win the pot right there if he was playing A-10 or some 10. I don't normally like showing down hands.about the tournament statement. he seemed to overvalue top pairs and always wanted to get his money in w/ them.. honestly i cant explain what read i had on him, if you guys play alot of MTT and SNG you should understand.I wanted my opponents to see a flop in this hand so i min-raised to let them catch up a bit and maybe let the tourny dude stack off to me w/ top pair. Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 On the contrary, minraises look strong at these stakes. If ANYTHING (and I never minraise, but I'm just saying..) minraise with something weak. If it gets shown down, you can minraise something like KK or AA to mix it up. But generally... keep it simple at these stakes. Just raise your standard amount. Link to post Share on other sites
Ganador 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I think I'm going to start a company, where when someone min raises, I fly to their house, punch them in the face, they thank me, pay me, and I go home. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I like to check the turn. As played, I put the money in. But that based on a hypothetical read that caused me to bet the turn.It's a lot like this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Min raising does not count as mixing up your game. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I think I'm going to start a company, where when someone min raises, I fly to their house, punch them in the face, they thank me, pay me, and I go home.So you're going to punch gus hansen and daniel negreanu in the face? min raising can be used as a great tool. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 So you're going to punch gus hansen and daniel negreanu in the face? min raising can be used as a great tool.not a fair comparison...and this is mos def NOT one of those situations... Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 not a fair comparison...and this is mos def NOT one of those situations...but come on don't act like i just commited a felony or something. anyways do i call in that spot? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I was mixing it up a bit and no one was calling anything over 75 cents. I was willing to easily give this hand up but my Kc hooked me. Can someone tell me what pot odds I'm getting?Find a new table.Seriously.And you should definitely be able to calculate pot odds at this point. Just a suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Find a new table.Seriously.And you should definitely be able to calculate pot odds at this point. Just a suggestion.FWIW, players that can't calculate pot odds should probably not be "mixing" up their game. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 FWIW, players that can't calculate pot odds should probably not be "mixing" up their game.man, do i suck at poker. so who makes the call in that spot? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 man, do i suck at poker. so who makes the call in that spot?Not me. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 The good news, albasuna, is, I love your avatar.That is all.I guess we fold here, but I don't like it, and I'm not sure about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Preflop blows hard.Checking the turn is definitely a decent option.Yep. I'm probably folding to the raise as you are probably flipping at best, and I don't think you are flipping nearly as often as you need to be. Link to post Share on other sites
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