I Don't Even Play Poker

[tskillz187 0]

Hopefully this converted correctly. Villain is button, he has had a big stack whole session, I've gotten no real reads, he has made pot raises when he has raised so that is standard.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($46.95)CO ($65.70)Button ($102.35)SB ($49.50)Hero ($50.95)UTG ($50.70)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5. UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $2.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.25, UTG folds, MP folds.Flop: ($6.75) T, 5, 7(2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.Turn: ($6.75) 9(2 players)Hero bets $4, Button raises to $16, Hero calls $12.River: ($38.75) 3(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $83.6 (All-In), Hero calls $32.20 (All-In).Final Pot: $103.15Edit: His check behind is suspicious, I haven't seen him do this once when he was PF raiser.Double Edit: Obv I'm looking for is it better to push turn over call, I may be trying to get too sneaky here.

[tskillz187 0]

Meh, nvmd I'm pretty sure I played it wrong. Damn in game decisions.

[No_Neck 0]

Meh, nvmd I'm pretty sure I played it wrong. Damn in game decisions.

why not lead the flop?

[tskillz187 0]

why not lead the flop?

I've called about 3/4 of his pf raises already. 1 went check/call, check fold turn. Other ones went check/fold flop. I'm not about to lead out now that I've hit something when I haven't done it in our other encounters, especially since he's C-bet everytime we've been heads up.I would have led flop if the other 2 were in the hand, they inexplicably limp/folded here.

[tskillz187 0]

why not lead the flop?

double post

[No_Neck 0]

I would have led flop if the other 2 were in the hand, they inexplicably limp/folded here.

Super User FWIW...The check on the flop is really tough to figure out though. I mean if he usually C-bets you have to put him on a big hand, but what would he check behind on the flop that would raise you on the turn.... I dunno I am stumped so I go back to I have a set and I want to get all the chips in the middle before that club comes off and kills my action.

[whatgreatis 0]

Theres only two hands we can really be worried about, 1010 and 77. Maybe 99 but I'm pretty sure 99 bets that flop so lets just rule it out. He could just be getting stubborn with a hand like AQ/AK and think your bluffing the turn since he showed weakness on the flop. I'm not sure how probable that is but we should consider it. He could have checked the flop with A10 but that'd be a really poor play on his part. Overpairs are also possible but this is a weird line for a hand like JJ/QQ/KK/AA. I think your ahead here a large majority of the time. If he has 77 or 1010 you just stack off a buy-in and get the information that he checks flops he hits hard.I like your call on the turn, if villain is bluffing you are letting him take a shot at the river and if he has a hand like A10 your not going to scare him out. I think this was well played and you get my stamp of approval. Congrats.

[No_Neck 0]

Theres only two hands we can really be worried about, 1010 and 77. Maybe 99 but I'm pretty sure 99 bets that flop so lets just rule it out.

Why would TT check and 99 bet?

[whatgreatis 0]

Why would TT check and 99 bet?

TT would have flopped the nuts and a lot of players like to check after flopping an unbeatable hand.99 bets because his hand is still very vulnerable to any overs. I don't see 99 checking this flop ever.

[psujohn 0]

A check on that flop from a habitual c-bettor is a set about 90% of the time.It's the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIBETTERSLOWPLAYIT syndrome.

[Royal_Tour 0]

i lead this flop like 90% of the time. unless i'm against a lag tard.i mean, results based u got em all in anywas, but in this spot. u pray he has an over pair and comes over the top at which point i smooth call and c.r.a.i. the turn.

[Royal_Tour 0]

A check on that flop from a habitual c-bettor is a set about 90% of the time.It's the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIBETTERSLOWPLAYIT syndrome.

yes. or a very small bet if he is a standard 2/3 pot sized c-better

[tskillz187 0]

i lead this flop like 90% of the time. unless i'm against a lag tard.i mean, results based u got em all in anywas, but in this spot. u pray he has an over pair and comes over the top at which point i smooth call and c.r.a.i. the turn.

If he has an overpair I would just check/call then c/r turn and he'd probably be pretty committed at that point. Plus, I had the history of check calling and then check folding his turn bet, so I was hopeful that he would give me the same line again.The fact that I hadn't led at him once made me not want to, I finally hit I'd like to bloat the pot against him. That is until he checks behind and I'm like WTF? Once he checks behind I almost completely disregard JJ+ and I thought from his habitual c-betting that this was an auto bet with overs.The check to me meant flush draw, combo draw, set. This was reinforced by my turn bet getting raised. Although I thought a minimal part of his range might be random AJ holdings where he was being stubborn.I didn't post it because I'm thinking about folding ever. I posted because I was trying to think of the best play on the turn if I think he could be on a possible bluff, or if he has a draw. If I shove on him he's getting very close to the right odds if he has a combo draw. Basically I timed down on the turn deciding whether or not to shove/reraise or to call and then check river and hope he bluffs a blank. The problem with me just calling turn is if river does come club it makes it very hard for me to call a river bet. Also to get value I need him to bluff the river at me, or for me to value bet it and hope he calls with a hand I beat (I don't know if that hand exists).

[tskillz187 0]

Just for the record, turn call timed almost all the way down, river was check insta call.

[Royal_Tour 0]

If he has an overpair I would just check/call then c/r turn and he'd probably be pretty committed at that point. Plus, I had the history of check calling and then check folding his turn bet, so I was hopeful that he would give me the same line again.

I think in these spots the hands play themselves. if its set vs over pair, you should be getting paid off.however, some players are capable, (especially from position) of not stacking off with just 1 over pair.Now though, since u said u havent lead into him, and u have been folding to turn bets, i can see your strat, however if he leads the flop for 5.and u call, and check the turn, are u confident he bets at least (edit)12-15 on the turn?the reason i prefer a lead out flop bet of say 1/2 pot is because his raise will inflate the pot and make any turn bet that much higher and commiting him to our crai

[tskillz187 0]

the reason i prefer a lead out flop bet of say 1/2 pot is because his raise will inflate the pot and make any turn bet that much higher and commiting him to our crai

This is true, it was just so inconsistent with my previous hands with him that I thought it'd look fishy, mostly because I'd flopped no pair no draw against him 3/4 times. I also worry about my lead, get raised,call, and then hope for c/r on turn, I'm scared of the check behind there. Not that there aren't obvious flaws with my line, as we see him just checking behind on the flop.Meh, funny thing is I don't even care about the flop play! I think leading is fine and I do it all the time, I was more worried about the turn play with this specific hand. Especially from all the info we have, flop check behind, followed by turn raise from a habitual c-bettor is awfully fishy.

[No_Neck 0]

Especially from all the info we have, flop check behind, followed by turn raise from a habitual c-bettor is awfully fishy.

it is a set a lot of times I have found... but you have a set so he can't

[Royal_Tour 0]

Especially from all the info we have, flop check behind, followed by turn raise from a habitual c-bettor is awfully fishy.

agreed, but you arent deep.I say "this looks fishy" at least half a dozen times a session. But when it comes to flopping a set, on a dry board and i have 100bb's or less. i'm trying to get all of my chips in the middle, even if its soo fishy that the guy actually says to yoou "My check is pretty fishy eh?"In a perfect world, you throw away bottom set and he shows u top set. but the sad truth is, i've seen AA play a hand this way. honest to god, i watched a guy check behind with AA on a low dry board, his opponent then took a stab at the pot on the turn he then threw out a raise. I didnt like the play but it managed to squeeze out a few more dollars since his opponent was folding to any bet made on the flop.

[tskillz187 0]

I'm not thinking about folding. I'm trying to think about maximizing profit against hands I'm ahead of that are drawing. IDC how much he makes his hand look like a set

[Royal_Tour 0]

I'm not thinking about folding. I'm trying to think about maximizing profit against hands I'm ahead of that are drawing. IDC how much he makes his hand look like a set

ohhhh. ok. it sounded like u were all up in shambles because u thought its set over set

[tskillz187 0]

Nah, I mean it could be, but I'm not going to post about flopping bottom set vs middle or top. He could type I flopped top set. And id call, haha.

[whatgreatis 0]

Most people continuation bet with a flush draw so I'd rule that out as one of his holdings. Even more so he continuation bets a majority of his flops.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I don't mind how you played it. If you've been checking to him when you've called his raises, you DEF should not start leading now when you have a set cause it's too easy to figure out.I think a CRAI on the turn is fine. I think a flat call is fine too. On the river, I really don't think I like the check/call though. You really should donk into him to make sure the river gets bet. Whether you wanna bet half of your stack (always suspicious bluffy-looking play) or just shove, IDC, but I think that checking the river is pretty bad unless you're pretty sure he's always betting for you.

[tskillz187 0]

Hopefully this converted correctly. Villain is button, he has had a big stack whole session, I've gotten no real reads, he has made pot raises when he has raised so that is standard.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($46.95)CO ($65.70)Button ($102.35)SB ($49.50)Hero ($50.95)UTG ($50.70)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5. UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $2.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.25, UTG folds, MP folds.Flop: ($6.75) T, 5, 7(2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.Turn: ($6.75) 9(2 players)Hero bets $4, Button raises to $16, Hero calls $12.River: ($38.75) 3(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $83.6 (All-In), Hero calls $32.20 (All-In).Final Pot: $103.15Edit: His check behind is suspicious, I haven't seen him do this once when he was PF raiser.Double Edit: Obv I'm looking for is it better to push turn over call, I may be trying to get too sneaky here.

He had 68, so he opted to draw for free on the flop, turned the nuts, then stacked me