ActionFalko 0 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 No convertable HH thanks to Everest Poker. I really get used to NL50. I really think the opponents are easier than at NL25. Example?OK: Board is 27Q. I check-raise AI with a set of 7's and get called by QJ. Just one of a thousand examples. Those weird things didnt hapen on NL25. Ok lets get to the hand:I have :D on the CO and it's folded to me. I raise to $1.75. The effektive Stack between me and Villain is about $40.Only Villain Button calls.Pot: $4.25 (2players)Flop: :D :4sI bet out smallish with $1.75. Why do I bet out smallish? I don't know. I just don't like my hand and want to show it Villain, that he can take me off the hand with a raise Villain calls.Pot: $7.75Turn: :6dI check, because I still don't like my hand. OMG I am such a weak passive donk...Villain bets now smallish to me $2.50 and I call this one, having no idea what to do on the river.Pot: $12.75Turn: :tdI think that I could have the best hand and want him to stop from betting and choose a block bet. I bet $4 and he raises me to $12 and I fold eventually.After the hand I really felt like an idiot (which I am...)I really had no clue, what to do on every single street. Could please someone tell me, what you do, if you hit Middle Pair OOP.Preflop my plan was:1) Take the blinds2) or play a pot in Position with a good impled odds hand.But it just didnt came that way.I would really appreciate tips from you guys, for every single street. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 No convertable HH thanks to Everest Poker. I really get used to NL50. I really think the opponents are easier than at NL25. Example?OK: Board is 27Q. I check-raise AI with a set of 7's and get called by QJ. Just one of a thousand examples. Those weird things didnt hapen on NL25. Ok lets get to the hand:I have :D on the CO and it's folded to me. I raise to $1.75. The effektive Stack between me and Villain is about $40.Only Villain Button calls.Pot: $4.25 (2players)Flop: :D :4sI bet out smallish with $1.75. Why do I bet out smallish? I don't know. I just don't like my hand and want to show it Villain, that he can take me off the hand with a raise Villain calls.Pot: $7.75Turn: :6dI check, because I still don't like my hand. OMG I am such a weak passive donk...Villain bets now smallish to me $2.50 and I call this one, having no idea what to do on the river.Pot: $12.75Turn: :tdI think that I could have the best hand and want him to stop from betting and choose a block bet. I bet $4 and he raises me to $12 and I fold eventually.After the hand I really felt like an idiot (which I am...)I really had no clue, what to do on every single street. Could please someone tell me, what you do, if you hit Middle Pair OOP.Preflop my plan was:1) Take the blinds2) or play a pot in Position with a good impled odds hand.But it just didnt came that way.I would really appreciate tips from you guys, for every single street.I might c/c the flop instead of betting it. At the turn, we just picked up a gutter, I don't mind a $3-$6 bet here. When we river two pair, we probably need to lead out more aggressively ... 75% of pot or more. If he backdoored a flush, he'll let us know with a raise and we can fold.The way it played out, I think I call at the last second.It's a yucky hand. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I lead the flop for more, check call the turn and check call the river. I really don't like your river blocker bet at all.any reads on the villian? Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 any reads on the villian?This is my worst leak. I only recognize when someone plays out of line. As long as somebody plays pretty straightforward, I dont see any differences between the players (UNFORTUNATELY)Any tips to practice people reading on the internet...? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 This is my worst leak. I only recognize when someone plays out of line. As long as somebody plays pretty straightforward, I dont see any differences between the players (UNFORTUNATELY)Any tips to practice people reading on the internet...?I read HH I don't know how Everest works but when you see a hand go to showdown, go back and look at it. I dunno I just watch the game going on and it seem to sink in... :shrug:Looking at the hand history to see the mucked cards is also a good way to get information Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 No offense but I hate the way this hand was played. Bet that flop stronger, bet around $3. Its okay to check/call the turn but the river was a terrible bet. You should check/call the river as to not price yourself out. I put villain on QJ the way he played this. Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I bet out smallish with $1.75. Why do I bet out smallish? I don't know. I just don't like my hand and want to show it Villain, that he can take me off the hand with a raise Villain calls.I check, because I still don't like my hand. OMG I am such a weak passive donk...Villain bets now smallish to me $2.50 and I call this one, having no idea what to do on the river.I think that I could have the best hand and want him to stop from betting and choose a block bet. I bet $4 and he raises me to $12 and I fold eventually.The problem I see here is the logic which resulted in how you played the handFlop: You have no reason to not like your hand. We raised preflop and hit a pair, we have no reason yet to think we don't have the best hand. Couple problems with the bolded quote, observant aggressive players might try to take you off the hand with air or a draw. Another problem with the weak lead, would you do this with a strong hand like an over pair? If this is anyway out of the ordinary your telegraphing your hand as weak. Turn: Your turn line I actually like. Its not weak passive its just simple pot control. Getting called might give us some second doubts about our hand. But, we still have no reason to believe we're beat after the villian just calling. That being said, we can't really stand a raise. Which makes check/call the correct play in my opinion. River: Half this logic is correct. Your right to think you might have the best hand, but you don't want to villian to stop betting. If our hand is good that means the villian was bluffing the turn. Why bet and take that play away from him. When we check we give him a green light to bluff again. Only things I do different here are bet more on the flop and check call the river. Link to post Share on other sites
over-it 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Probably not a good idea to raise 89suited preflop. Everyone folded to you. This is a good hand to see a cheap flop with. Should just call; folding is not out of the question either.as for the river, it looks like your opponent has a busted straight draw, holding something like KQ or KJ. Or maybe a 10, guess you'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Probably not a good idea to raise suited preflop. Everyone folded to you. This is a good hand to see a cheap flop with. Should just call; folding is not out of the question either.You must play pretty tight/predicable then. I like the fact that he's willing to raise with a wide range of hands, it makes him harder to read. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Probably not a good idea to raise 89suited preflop. Everyone folded to you. This is a good hand to see a cheap flop with. Should just call; folding is not out of the question either.as for the river, it looks like your opponent has a busted straight draw, holding something like KQ or KJ. Or maybe a 10, guess you'll never know.I would raise this when folded to me in the CO. You want to buy the button. You want people to fold, if button folds, you have position on blinds the entire hand. Thats's the main problem with this hand, they were out of position. As for hand, bet more on flop ($2.5-$4), I like the turn check for pot control. I hate your 1/3 pot bet on the end. Check or bet 2/3 of pot or more. Link to post Share on other sites
over-it 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 To each their own. 89suited may be a popular hand, but it's not a strong one. Anytime you hold that hand you're likely behind going into the flop since most people won't call the blinds with 7 high.Besides, I'm not suggesting what the best play for me or you is, my advice was for what the poster should do. If you're going to enter a pot with a hand like that, you've got to know how to play it. He admittedly didn't know how to play it, therefore folding preflop was probably the best move for him. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Like others I think you played this wellishPreflop: First in, raising is a must. You want to buy the button, it gives you a chance to steal the blinds, it keeps your preflop range wide and when you hit a monster you will be more likely to get paid off as you are well disguised. Pot sized raise is perfect.Flop: Your bet here is a little small. You are representing a strong hand preflop and are heads up. Continue playing to the image. The board is slightly drawy, an overpair should bet more than half, probably 2/3 of the pot. Also you have what will often be a winning hand here.Turn: This is a little tougher. At NL50 you will get a lot of players that will float the flop with a naked Ace, especially for the small bet you put in. These players will now disappear to another bet here, however identifing these players takes time and reads. Without reads bloating the pot is not good and if it gets checked through a free card is more likely to help you than him with you picking up the gutshot. c/cRiver: The blocker here is probably the worst bit of the hand. There are not too many hands that you beat that are calling. You should be 'scared' of the ten, not coming back to life because of it. The bet is inconsistent with your play so far. Even an average player should see that and it will often encourage a bluff that you must fold to. Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Bet more on the flop. I would bet around 3.50 and you probably take the pot down right there.On the turn and the river I would check call then make a note that villain calls raises with QJ or J10 Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 Thanks a lot guys for the responses.It helped me a lot. TY Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I'll probably be the other dissenter along with Kermit about the turn.flop: yes, bet more. blah blah.turn: You have a button calling in position against against a probable steal. I float this flop a lot in position to take it away at the turn at 5 and 6 max. I'll do this against players that rarely follow up c-bets with a second bet if they miss. (Specifically only CO vs. button situations though.) On the flip side, you will find a lot of players that will call here with an underpair to see if you miss... you check, they bet, you call. Good in that you got more money in the pot w/ a better hand. But some times they have the balls to second barrel the river, which you fold a lot of the time.River: yes, I hate the blocking bet.. blah blah. Link to post Share on other sites
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