Ap Rigged?

[uncooper 1]

Not to mention, the kind of insane stats that this guy is producing would be easier to go unnoticed, the smaller the stakes."Oh it's probably just some drunk idiot nutbarring and getting lucky"

[Royal_Tour 0]

haha, could you imagine how it would look if some guy got hold of such a account,"walks into bank" - I need a loan for 20k.- ok sir, what will you be using this loan for...?- online poker.- ???.......

[20TN40 0]

Yea, Royal was reading my mind. I'm guessing these guys were under the radar until they got into the nosebleed section. There are so many more low rollers that it would be dang near impossible to notice someone moving up the ranks like that. But once they start hanging out with the big money, where there are significantly less players and most of them have some working knowledge of each other, they'll be found out soon enough.

[Flushgarden 0]

edit wrong thread

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I think my point was misconstrued. 1) If this 'Super User Account(s)' was worried about being caught, it wouldn't be playing the highest stakes, it wouldn't be making hero calls for no reason. 2) Monetarily, it makes zero sense for them to spend anything more than the shortest of stretches at mid/low limits.

[FileError404 0]

This is just not possible...

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

This is just not possible...

Pretty gross..28k over 540 hands.

[exec771 0]

Those pt screenshots are nuts, both of them.. Looks like he just plays like 200 hands and then finishes thinking it wont get too suspicious..His river AF is seriously crazy infinity and 41 wow...

[conor_mw 0]

does anyone have a link to the Dan Druff thread on 2p2?

[Zach6668 513]

does anyone have a link to the Dan Druff thread on 2p2?

It got temporarily removed.My sources at 2p2 say it'll be back soon.

[FileError404 0]

It just got worse...and OMG**** ME

[Spademan 94]

wtf

[exec771 0]

Dunno what is worse the pt shots or the hh's but yea pretty solid evidence either way...

[FileError404 0]

does anyone have a link to the Dan Druff thread on 2p2?

I've played a whole lot on AP this year, especially over the summer.Oddly enough, I missed out on most of the Greycat/Supercard/etc. games due to sheer coincidences of timing (basically I'd be out or sleeping when he'd show up). Still, I played about 10 sessions with the guy, including one heads up, and noticed exactly what everyone else is noticing:1) His hand selection pre-flop is so bad (especially 9 handed) that he should be losing a fortune against the top-flight players he's been facing. Instead, he's been winning big almost every session.2) It is very rare that he will fold if you miss the flop.3) When you are holding a huge hand, he folds often.Basically, yes, he plays like someone who can see your cards. But that's nothing new to anyone on this thread. I've played against legitimate players who have run so well that I'd swear they could see my hand if I didn't know better. We've also all seen examples of huge donks running up amazing short-term streaks that we never thought were possible -- including odd plays that leave us scratching our heads.So what's the difference here? Perhaps nothing, perhaps something. But the evidence we've seen so far, some anecdotal, others more damning, makes this worth another look.Before I go on, I can confirm that Greycat, Supercard, and the other suspect accounts posted here ARE indeed the same person. This isn't an assumption or a guess. It's a fact. PM me if you want me to explain this part further.So we have this Greycat person playing on multiple accounts -- sometimes chipdumping between them -- and playing the highest games Absolute Poker has to offer. He plays both limit and no limit, yet top regular players from both games report the same suspicious experience with him.He has won a ton of money (does anyone have the exact figures?), and rarely seems to lose.If he is cheating, I think I know how he's doing it.Long before Greycat showed up, there was some concern that AP had a "superuser" account, created by its software developers. This account, created strictly for testing purposes, would be able to see all cards of all players in all games. As a software programmer by trade, I can tell you that such an account would be very helpful in the development and testing process for a complicated piece of software like AP. I referred to there being "some concern" that such an account exists. I say this because I have some circumstantial evidence (which I can't share in public) that this is true, but I don't have any proof. Furthermore, prior to this Greycat situation, I had no reason to believe that this account ever fell into the wrong hands.But what if it did fall into the wrong hands? Perhaps someone could have hacked it. Perhaps a rogue ex-developer of the software could have passed some info along to an accomplice. Perhaps a lot of things.The fact is that, if Greycat did get access to such an account, he'd pretty much be doing exactly what he's doing now. Yes, maybe some subtlety would have done him better (so as to avoid this suspicion), but history is full of criminals whose otherwise brilliant capers were foiled by just a bit too much greed.It's time to stop guessing and get some answers here. Obviously AP will never admit their system was compromised, even if it were true. That would pretty much be the equivalent of poker room suicide. We need to put together a concrete plan of action to either prove this guy is a fraud, or prove to ourselves that we're a bunch of paranoid fools. Either way, we need to prove something. In the next post, I'll give my suggestions on what I feel we should do next.

[StupidKid 0]

PT images

54K in 200 hands?! WTF.Ruh Roh.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Dunno what is worse the pt shots or the hh's but yea pretty solid evidence either way...

the HH's dont do much, sure they show some crazy calls.its the PT stats that are insane.its like this guy has the ability to double down when he has the nuts.god damn i hate blackjack

[20TN40 0]

There are 450+ people reading that thread now. I'm not registered there but someone earlier suggested that other websites be made aware of the situation and forward any relative HH or PT they might have. Thanks Kid for bringing it to FCP!

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

its ALL just a dream folks....it doesnt even mattertrust me

[exec771 0]

the HH's dont do much, sure they show some crazy calls.its the PT stats that are insane.its like this guy has the ability to double down when he has the nuts.god damn i hate blackjack

Hmm maybe i wasnt clear its the hhs combined with the pt screenshots thats insane...His river Af is infinity which means he NEVER calls river only folds, raises or bets out. Also when hes's betting river we see from hh hes always overbetting pot at the right times, and seems to size bets according to strength of opponents hands..

[20TN40 0]

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Quote: haha he's totally taunting ike nowDealt to IKESTOYS [Jd Kd] DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $30IKESTOYS - Raises $120 to $120DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $90*** FLOP *** [4h 9h Jh]DOUBLEDRAG - ChecksIKESTOYS - Bets $180DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $180*** TURN *** [4h 9h Jh] [8h]DOUBLEDRAG - ChecksIKESTOYS - Checks*** RIVER *** [4h 9h Jh 8h] [8d]DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480IKESTOYS - FoldsDOUBLEDRAG - Shows [9c 2h] (Flush, jack high)

this is going on right now?

yeah, i'm playing him when i think he can see my hole cards.... ban for idiocy? PRICELESS! ROFLMAO

[GWCGWC 83]

I'm not reading the other site's threads so I'd be nice to get some more cross posts here. yes?Is it more likely this player/players has figured out the RNG instead of having some kind of AP built/leaked super acct?

[exec771 0]

I'm not reading the other site's threads so I'd be nice to get some more cross posts here. yes?Is it more likely this player/players has figured out the RNG instead of having some kind of AP built/leaked super acct?

He hasn't figured out the rng because in one hand he goes in pf with a2 vs k10 for like 200 bbs and loses to a 10 on river..This also explains his river aggression as hes waiting till all community cards are out before he really gets aggressive..

[StupidKid 0]

I'm not reading the other site's threads so I'd be nice to get some more cross posts here. yes?Is it more likely this player/players has figured out the RNG instead of having some kind of AP built/leaked super acct? No

Adanthar: Quote: But I agree I think we're going to need to see more than one HH per account to make sure it isn't just some drunk guy with a load of cash. I mean, are these people playing a LOT or what's up?there is an account running at 65/50 at HS limit with a 75% W@SD. that account coldcaps preflop from the BB then check/folds the flop on a 522 board when someone flops a full house. over, and over, and over.oh yeah and the ten high call HU on the turn of the toughest weekly tournament ever by a guy who busted within 5 minutes in the only two other low stakes donkaments he's ever played.

[Miguel McHarris 0]

[StupidKid 0]

Some HHs from an AP regular."screw the scare cards, I have the best hand so I'm 2x potting TPTK (that'd be third pair top kicker) again"Dealt to IKESTOYS [6h Ah]POKERSKIBUM - FoldsA2STEAKSAUCE - FoldsDOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90BIGHEAD909 - FoldsIKESTOYS - Calls $75PHWAP - Folds*** FLOP *** [5h 7c 6d]IKESTOYS - ChecksDOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90IKESTOYS - Calls $90*** TURN *** [5h 7c 6d] [Kh]IKESTOYS - ChecksDOUBLEDRAG - Bets $180IKESTOYS - Calls $180*** RIVER *** [5h 7c 6d Kh] [Jd]IKESTOYS - ChecksDOUBLEDRAG - Bets $1000IKESTOYS - Calls $1000*** SHOW DOWN ***DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Ac 7s] (One pair, sevens)the second hand where he limp/calls PF:Dealt to IKESTOYS [Ah Ad]IKESTOYS - Posts big blind $30*** POCKET CARDS ***DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $30THE GRINDER - Calls $15IKESTOYS - Raises $150 to $180DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $150THE GRINDER - Folds*** FLOP *** [Jc Js 3h]IKESTOYS - ChecksDOUBLEDRAG - Checks*** TURN *** [Jc Js 3h] [Kh]IKESTOYS - Bets $240DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $240*** RIVER *** [Jc Js 3h Kh] [9s]IKESTOYS - ChecksDOUBLEDRAG - Bets $5000IKESTOYS - Calls $5000*** SHOW DOWN ***DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Qs 10c] (Straight, nine to king) the first hand where doubledrag folds PF:Dealt to IKESTOYS [Qd Qh] I'm reading through ikestoys' HH and seeing this over and over:Seat 1 - DAVIDP18 ($6300 in chips) [ 2007-09-06 23:37:10 ]Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($18199.50 in chips)Seat 6 - CASH369 ($5955 in chips)Seat 5 - IKESTOYS ($6000 in chips)Seat 2 - XAJA1 ($5580 in chips)Seat 4 - FRISCOMELT ($9564 in chips)XAJA1 - Posts small blind $15DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $30*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to IKESTOYS [10h 7s]IKESTOYS - Raises $120 to $120DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $90*** FLOP *** [Qc 6d 5c]DOUBLEDRAG - ChecksIKESTOYS - Bets $210DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $210*** TURN *** [Qc 6d 5c] [3s]DOUBLEDRAG - ChecksIKESTOYS - Checks*** RIVER *** [Qc 6d 5c 3s] [7c]DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $1920IKESTOYS - Calls $1920*** SHOW DOWN ***DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Jc Jd] (One pair, jacks)He check/calls 'the nuts' waiting for ike to hit a pair, then overbets like 5x pot with second pair hoping for a call.This is one of a number of these hands. He also does a lot of minbet bluffing (and probably overbet bluffing) with second best hands, but never *calls* with a worse hand on any street of any hand I have seen go to showdown.He's seeing people's cards. It's confirmed.