DAces 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($46.65)SB ($49.25)BB ($50)Hero ($50.85)MP ($70.50)CO ($27.70)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6. Hero raises to $1.5, MP calls $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold.Flop: ($5) Q, 6, 5(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, MP folds, SB raises to $11, Hero?? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($46.65)SB ($49.25)BB ($50)Hero ($50.85)MP ($70.50)CO ($27.70)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6. Hero raises to $1.5, MP calls $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold.Flop: ($5) Q, 6, 5(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, MP folds, SB raises to $11, Hero?? shoves Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I'm torn between pushing and a stop n go. I really think he check-raised you with a heart draw... he can't have a pair+ heart draw which sucks because we could be certain he'd call the push, but the nut flush will do this a lot at 50 NL. If we're set over setted oh well ish happens.If I feel lucky I'd flat call and hope no heart drops, let him semi-bluff it then push over top. If I've been running bad I'm happy with the pot as is and am pushing. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I'm torn between pushing and a stop n go. I really think he check-raised you with a heart draw... he can't have a pair+ heart draw which sucks because we could be certain he'd call the push, but the nut flush will do this a lot at 50 NL. If we're set over setted oh well ish happens.If I feel lucky I'd flat call and hope no heart drops, let him semi-bluff it then push over top. If I've been running bad I'm happy with the pot as is and am pushing.Stop n go should be reserved for hands where there aren't quite so many draws. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Stop n go should be reserved for hands where there aren't quite so many draws.And you can't stop n go when you're in position, as is the case here.This is a fairly easy shove. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 And you can't stop n go when you're in position, as is the case here.This is a fairly easy shove.May I ask what you'd call a flat-call / shove non-heart line then? Or is it just that? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 May I ask what you'd call a flat-call / shove non-heart line then? Or is it just that?A stop n go is really a tournament move and it refers to the specific situation where you flat call a preflop raise (where you could've pushed preflop, since you have no intention of folding) and shove any flop with the idea that your opponent might miss the flop or be scared by it and fold his hand where he certainly would've called AIPF. There really isn't a place for stop n gos in cash games becuase you shouldn't be short stacked in a cash game.The idea that you're describing is just slowplaying. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 A stop n go is really a tournament move and it refers to the specific situation where you flat call a preflop raise (where you could've pushed preflop, since you have no intention of folding) and shove any flop with the idea that your opponent might miss the flop or be scared by it and fold his hand where he certainly would've called AIPF. There really isn't a place for stop n gos in cash games becuase you shouldn't be short stacked in a cash game.The idea that you're describing is just slowplaying.Well then damn the torpedoes full barrels ahead! Link to post Share on other sites
dbl_j_22 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 A stop n go is really a tournament move and it refers to the specific situation where you flat call a preflop raise (where you could've pushed preflop, since you have no intention of folding) and shove any flop with the idea that your opponent might miss the flop or be scared by it and fold his hand where he certainly would've called AIPF. There really isn't a place for stop n gos in cash games becuase you shouldn't be short stacked in a cash game.The idea that you're describing is just slowplaying.The stop and go you describe is one example.There are other examples of stop and go's.You can stop and go in a cash game with any sized stack. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 A stop n go is really a tournament move and it refers to the specific situation where you flat call a preflop raise (where you could've pushed preflop, since you have no intention of folding) and shove any flop with the idea that your opponent might miss the flop or be scared by it and fold his hand where he certainly would've called AIPF. There really isn't a place for stop n gos in cash games becuase you shouldn't be short stacked in a cash game.The idea that you're describing is just slowplaying.slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks.it lets people catch upit shrivels pots when you have good handsit shows weaknessit kills table action Link to post Share on other sites
dbl_j_22 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks. slowplaying sucks.it lets people catch upit shrivels pots when you have good handsit shows weaknessit kills table actionWhat a horribly wrong post.There are many times when it is the optimal strategy depending on the situation, to vaguely say slowplaying sucks and list off those silly reasons is pretty absurd. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 What a horribly wrong post.There are VERY FEW times when it is the optimal strategy depending on the situation, to vaguely say slowplaying sucks and list off those silly reasons is pretty absurd. Obligatory. Who's buying the beer? Link to post Share on other sites
dbl_j_22 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Obligatory. Who's buying the beer?You play at Prairie Meadows? I live in Ames for around a year, hit a bad beat there at 1/2, and got kicked out because I was drunk by 3pm.Thats a good casino. Link to post Share on other sites
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