Dictius 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Villian is 50.51/11.4/1.76 after about 100 hands.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($29.65)Hero ($17.30)Button ($7.85)SB ($14.80)BB ($9.80)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, T. UTG raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20.Flop: ($0.95) 6, 3, T(3 players)BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.3, BB folds, UTG calls $0.80.Turn: ($3.55) A(2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.8, UTG raises to $4.3, Hero calls $2.50.River: ($12.15) 7(2 players)UTG bets $12.15, Hero calls $11.40 (All-In).Final Pot: $34.95Am I just spewing chips here? Link to post Share on other sites
mkeller3086 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Villian is 50.51/11.4/1.76 after about 100 hands.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($29.65)Hero ($17.30)Button ($7.85)SB ($14.80)BB ($9.80)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, T. UTG raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20.Flop: ($0.95) 6, 3, T(3 players)BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.3, BB folds, UTG calls $0.80.Turn: ($3.55) A(2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.8, UTG raises to $4.3, Hero calls $2.50.River: ($12.15) 7(2 players)UTG bets $12.15, Hero calls $11.40 (All-In).Final Pot: $34.95Am I just spewing chips here?turn is a fold after the c/r Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Villian is 50.51/11.4/1.76 after about 100 hands.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($29.65)Hero ($17.30)Button ($7.85)SB ($14.80)BB ($9.80)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, T. UTG raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20.Flop: ($0.95) 6, 3, T(3 players)BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.3, BB folds, UTG calls $0.80.Turn: ($3.55) A(2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.8, UTG raises to $4.3, Hero calls $2.50.River: ($12.15) 7(2 players)UTG bets $12.15, Hero calls $11.40 (All-In).Final Pot: $34.95Am I just spewing chips here?i think so Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I'd check behind the turn here with the intent of calling a river bet. We have a weak hand, betting the turn after a scare card hits is just not a good idea. Unless of we are up against a total donk calling station I want to keep this pot small. As played fold to the turn raise and don't ever call this river. Putting in a 170 bb's with 2nd pair is never good. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 If Acid Knight is the villain, he has 4 5 .Nevertheless, fold to the check/raise. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 If Acid Knight is the villain, he has 75hh .Nevertheless, fold to the check/raise.FYPI'm on board with check behind turn and either call his river bet or value bet.Edit: Oh and I think David's point was your flop raise is way too small. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 What hands does he call the flop raise and then check-raise on the turn with? Maybe A3 or A6. I think he probably raises with AT.Does anyone think I should have bet more on the flop or is it strong enough to fold out A3 and A6? Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Does anyone think I should have bet more on the flop or is it strong enough to fold out A3 and A6?Everyone thinks you should have bet more on the flop. Betting that little amount almost telegraphs that you want to keep it small and hope to win the pot if you are ahead but if you face lots of resistance you'll go away. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 I usually don't raise the flop and will raise the turn more. (not on the Ace though).turn is a fold after the C/r. Anyone prefer to check behind on the turn? I think you get more value from 99- (being able to bet a checked river). and don't get trapped wondering what's going on cause you gave him sort of a price to float. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I'm not a huge fan of the pf call, and I call with a pretty wide range. I don't like that you can be squeezed a lot here, and your hand just doesn't play well vs villian's pf raising range.I check/call flop. You are making a fundamental NL mistake here by raising flop imo, and then checking behind on the turn would compound that. You are building a big pot on the flop with a marginal hand, and would be playing for pot control on the turn if you checked behind. These are opposite things. (I know you didn't check behind turn)When you are thinking of raising the flop, ask yourself: Is it likely a worse hand will call me? I say doubtful here. So just call, and let the bluffers bluff some more, or get to a cheap showdown vs overpairs.I check/call flop, and vs a donk that plays 50% of his hands, I call a bet on the turn as well. As played, fold when raised on the turn.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 So I called, he had KQ for the bluff and a won the pot. The guy wasn't very happy obviously, saying how can you make that call you stupid donkey etc.My thinking during the hand was that he had nothing on the flop and might have caught an Ace on the turn, but I thought I had good odds to call $2.5 into about $9 if I could catch a K or T on the river I would be ahead.When he bet the pot on the river I changed my mind that he did not have an Ace, the bet just seemed way too big for someone trying to get value from his hand, I thought for ages and called.At the time I was pretty pleased with myself thinking I made a sick call, but then after I thought about it for a while I think it was a pretty bad hand overall. Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 fold to the check/raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Ah...result based thinking. 90% of the time, it's not a bluff. Link to post Share on other sites
ghoti 0 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 My thinking during the hand was that he had nothing on the flop and might have caught an Ace on the turn, but I thought I had good odds to call $2.5 into about $9 if I could catch a K or T on the river I would be ahead.Getting about 3.5:1 on your call when you figure yourself to be an 8:1 dog is not good odds. You will need to always extract a pot sized bet from Villain when you hit the river to more or less break even. Link to post Share on other sites
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