DanielNegreanu 141 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Carlye needs to go. Old school retarded coaches that pay no attention to analytics should be a dying breed and we should start with him. He is benching Jake ****ing Gardiner. If you take a deeper look into Leafs D stats, Gardiner is the CLEAR best defenseman on the team and it's not close. Good news is the Leafs now have seven serviceable defenseman and injuries happen so that bodes well. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Carlye needs to go. Old school retarded coaches that pay no attention to analytics should be a dying breed and we should start with him. He is benching Jake ****ing Gardiner. If you take a deeper look into Leafs D stats, Gardiner is the CLEAR best defenseman on the team and it's not close. Good news is the Leafs now have seven serviceable defenseman and injuries happen so that bodes well. I dont typically disagree but Gardiner hadnt played well the first two games, and Percy had..Plus you arent gonna scratch Franson, who is great on the PP and I think better than Gardiner..And look what happened , they won..Easily. I think you play your best 6 guys and bench the ones that arent performing..Even if those guys are named Gardiner, Phaneuf or whomever.. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I dont typically disagree but Gardiner hadnt played well the first two games, and Percy had..Plus you arent gonna scratch Franson, who is great on the PP and I think better than Gardiner..And look what happened , they won..Easily. I think you play your best 6 guys and bench the ones that arent performing..Even if those guys are named Gardiner, Phaneuf or whomever.. Polak or Robidas make more sense to be sitting don't they ? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Polak or Robidas make more sense to be sitting don't they ? I think the way Carlyle sees it is Gardiner, Reilly, Franson and even Percy are offensive minded and he chooses to play Polak and Robidas over those TYPE of dman.. Phaneuf isnt sitting regardless, plus Dion has played ok the first 3 games.. Its a good problem/luxury to have and its almost a certainty that one or two of those guys will have injuries...Plus I think he is understanding that players, especially dman that arent named Suter, tend to break down near the end of the year...Its good to rotate these guys in and out of the lineup..You will see that with Polak and Robidas as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Polak or Robidas make more sense to be sitting don't they ? Of course they do. Serge, Gardiner may not have "played well" (your opinion), but he still gives the team the best chance to win on any given night. regardless of what happened in the 1 game sample size that he was out. Like Daniel said, Gardiner is probably our best defenseman. Having him in the press box is just ludicrous. He's a far superior defenseman to Polak, Robidas, Percy, and Franson (in that order) Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Serge, stop trying to justify Carlyle's inane decision making process with rational thought. He's a dumbass, and a dinosaur. Gardiner is an easy target because he is young, and since he has the puck ALL THE f"ING TIME, he makes mistakes occasionally that people notice (kinda like a certain polarizing D man on the montreal canadiens. I shudder to think of how many times P.K. would have been healthy scratched in the last 3 years if Carlyle was his coach). He doesn't have the balls to bench a vet like Polak or Robidas. It's got nothing to do with rational thought. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 what would make sense would be that Carlyle has a daughter and Gardiner broke her heart Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Of course they do. Serge, Gardiner may not have "played well" (your opinion), but he still gives the team the best chance to win on any given night. regardless of what happened in the 1 game sample size that he was out. Like Daniel said, Gardiner is probably our best defenseman. Having him in the press box is just ludicrous. He's a far superior defenseman to Polak, Robidas, Percy, and Franson (in that order) My opinion doesnt matter, but Carlyle was quoted this morning as to say Gardiner has to be better...Its the same reason Reimer is in net tonight.. Again I m not particularly disagreeing, but telling you the thought process... You guys seem to be like whatever the result is , you will disagree with Carlyle..If after 20 games the Leafs are first place in the division, you will still ask for Carlyle to be fired.. But Mike Babcock can lose 33 games in a row and he is the greatest coach since Scotty Bowman man child. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Serge, stop trying to justify Carlyle's inane decision making process with rational thought. He's a dumbass, and a dinosaur. Gardiner is an easy target because he is young, and since he has the puck ALL THE f"ING TIME, he makes mistakes occasionally that people notice (kinda like a certain polarizing D man on the montreal canadiens. I shudder to think of how many times P.K. would have been healthy scratched in the last 3 years if Carlyle was his coach). He doesn't have the balls to bench a vet like Polak or Robidas. It's got nothing to do with rational thought. We are on the same team my friend..I understand and your view and I am not defending him per se...But trying to explain his rationale..Even though most dont agree with it. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Carlyle is still a coach that wields ice time like a weapon. Just look at the amount of ice time hie 'fave' players on the 3rd and 4 th line get. I think thats okay except when you do it based on anything other than what gives you the best chance to win, sit gardiner for one game to get him to smarten up? Ok. Anything more than that is idiocy. And, fwiw Morgan reilly is the best defenseman on the leafs, imo Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Carlye needs to go. Old school retarded coaches that pay no attention to analytics should be a dying breed and we should start with him. He is benching Jake ****ing Gardiner. If you take a deeper look into Leafs D stats, Gardiner is the CLEAR best defenseman on the team and it's not close. Good news is the Leafs now have seven serviceable defenseman and injuries happen so that bodes well. He's not retarded, he is just an old-school coach. Probably a bad coach, by our standards. I think "retarded" is an unnecessary and unwelcome word choice. I know you take pride in not being "PC" for some reason, but you could try harder to not insult huge groups of people carelessly. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Especially because that word happens to affect so many people on this board personally, and it has been discussed here before. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Carlye needs to go. Old school retarded coaches that pay no attention to analytics should be a dying breed and we should start with him. He is benching Jake ****ing Gardiner. If you take a deeper look into Leafs D stats, Gardiner is the CLEAR best defenseman on the team and it's not close. Good news is the Leafs now have seven serviceable defenseman and injuries happen so that bodes well. I wonder what AHL team Gardiner is on. Lol Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 The Refs just saved Iginla. Phaneuf would have killed him Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yes!!!!!!!! Pk81 baby. Suck it Roy. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Shots were 40-24. That's standard. But for us!!!!! Cmon Dubey Clarkson is looking good. Still no 4 th line though. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 PHIL KESSEL BABY Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 What a nice goal too. Him and Lupul were both BUZZIN in the third period Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I dont typically disagree but Gardiner hadnt played well the first two games, and Percy had..Plus you arent gonna scratch Franson, who is great on the PP and I think better than Gardiner..And look what happened , they won..Easily. I think you play your best 6 guys and bench the ones that arent performing..Even if those guys are named Gardiner, Phaneuf or whomever.. Gardiner, statistically has been the Leafs best defenseman for a while in terms of analytics. They don't mean everything, but it's enough of a clue to let Carlyle, if he would care, know that Gardiner isn't the guy that needs to be on the bench right now. I haven't heard a single hockey mind think this makes sense. Feels like it is either personal, or Carlyle is just really that off base. "less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age." "very foolish or stupid." Or, you could replace that with the one word... RETARDED!!!!!! Yes I looked up the definition of the word and it is perfectly applicable to my description of the Carlyle decision. Retarded, retarded, re freaking tarded!!! If you find the word offensive, so be it, but I will use it when I feel it's appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Especially because that word happens to affect so many people on this board personally, and it has been discussed here before. thanks Danny, thanks Zach. Agree with both of you wholeheartedly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Gardiner, statistically has been the Leafs best defenseman for a while in terms of analytics. They don't mean everything, but it's enough of a clue to let Carlyle, if he would care, know that Gardiner isn't the guy that needs to be on the bench right now. I haven't heard a single hockey mind think this makes sense. Feels like it is either personal, or Carlyle is just really that off base. "less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age." "very foolish or stupid." Or, you could replace that with the one word... RETARDED!!!!!! Yes I looked up the definition of the word and it is perfectly applicable to my description of the Carlyle decision. Retarded, retarded, re freaking tarded!!! If you find the word offensive, so be it, but I will use it when I feel it's appropriate. I know you wont care, but I find the word offensive too. Quite hurtful to some of us actually, I truly hope for your sake you will never understand why. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/opinion/sunday/a-word-gone-wrong.html?_r=0 Link to post Share on other sites
Untilted 158 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Especially because that word happens to affect so many people on this board personally, and it has been discussed here before. I agree. First hand experience with the word has taught me how much damage the perceived meaning can wield. I was snow tubing with my cousin, who has Down Syndrome. He was pushed aside on one of the lines to go down the mountain and the word was used. We lost him a couple of years ago to ammonia. He was the happiest guy on earth. He tried so hard and grew so much despite his limitations 3 Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I agree. First hand experience with the word has taught me how much damage the perceived meaning can wield. I was snow tubing with my cousin, who has Down Syndrome. He was pushed aside on one of the lines to go down the mountain and the word was used. We lost him a couple of years ago to ammonia. He was the happiest guy on earth. He tried so hard and grew so much despite his limitations That's awful. I hate hearing stuff like this. Society is getting better, but man, we have a long way to go still. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 And, fwiw Morgan reilly is the best defenseman on the leafs, imo Future captain maybe? I don't know how vocal he is, but I'd say he's their best. He seems to always make the smart decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I know you wont care, but I find the word offensive too. Quite hurtful to some of us actually, I truly hope for your sake you will never understand why. http://www.nytimes.c...wrong.html?_r=0 Nothing anyone calls you, no word choice, no phrase, no judgement can cause any hurt or pain. Only you, the receiver can give those words that power. There isn't anything anyone can say to me, or you, that will cause that pain, it's only how you perceive it. Replacing a word like retard to dimwit, idiot, dummy, etc. is semantics in the sense that the perceived insult is in the eye of the beholder. No one in the world has the power to cause you emotional pain with words. No one. Only you give it that power based on your perception of what that means. For example, if I called you a blue elephant, would that pierce at all? Likely not. However, if I said something closer to home, something that maybe you believe to be partly true, you may experience pain, but it's not the words that caused it, it's your perception that they may be true. Link to post Share on other sites
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