serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 You think his problems in Buffalo were with him not being given opportunities? When Roy went down last year, Timmy was the ONLY qualified offensive center on the team and he completely blew it. He only outscored Derek by 7 points and played in nearly double the games (68 to Roy's 35). The only way I would have wanted Connolly back on Buffalo would be as the 3rd line center and a PK specialist, and TBH I probably would have given him the deal Toronto is dishing out to fill that role, he's good when you don't expect offense from him and he's one of the better PK guys out there.If you're expecting a top-2 center who will score anywhere near PPG, you're going to be very disappointed. I know we were. Good luck!*Edit* OMFG...I thought $4.75 million was the total contract value over two years...they actually gave Timmy a RAISE and a 2-year $9.5 million deal. I take it back, Toronto got hosed BAD.We got hosed because we gave out a 2 year contract?? The sabres made Christian Ehroff one of the highest paid players in the NHL and committed to a 10 year contract and then proceeded to hand out a 6 year $27 million contract to a player that scored 19 goals .I m not sure who got hosed here? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 nope, that wasnt what I was implying. I was not saying his problems were about opportunity. His problems are his health, and general suckiness at certain parts of the season.But I was saying the Leafs will give him an opportunity to prove he is a #1C, without it coming because of injury. Lets face it, he was never considered a #1C by Ruff, even the year before when he had a good year statistically.(I believe)And, he will get to play with Kessel, until both of them are beyond sick of each other. If he doesnt succeed here, he never will anywhere.Overpayment? Hellz ya!I loved his attitude..He is going to love his opportunity here..He compared playing for the Leafs like playing for the New York Yankees..He grow up in New York and his mom is from the Toronto area..To all the people saying there is injury problems..Well Brad Richards had a pretty serious concussion last year, but no one talks about that.Sure its an overpayment, as all these UFAs are..However its not a risk as signing someone to a 6 or 10year contract.FWIW, I am starting to hate the city of Buffalo more and more. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 FWIW, I am starting to hate the city of Buffalo more and more.That's because we dumped our garbage in your front yard and you just paid $9.5 million for it.I've already said that I don't think very much of the Leino signing, but I'm ecstatic about the Ehrhoff deal and if Burke had dished that deal out getting the top UFA defenseman available for a 4th round pick and a $4 million cap hit you'd be touting him as the early choice for GM of the year.Final point - Our new #3 defenseman scored more goals and points last year than your new #1 center. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Ok, really my final point - Leino and Ehrhoff will combine for more points next season than Connolly and Kessel will. Bet? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 That's because we dumped our garbage in your front yard and you just paid $9.5 million for it.I've already said that I don't think very much of the Leino signing, but I'm ecstatic about the Ehrhoff deal and if Burke had dished that deal out getting the top UFA defenseman available for a 4th round pick and a $4 million cap hit you'd be touting him as the early choice for GM of the year.Final point - Our new #3 defenseman scored more goals and points last year than your new #1 center.This is where your argument is flawed. A 2 year cap hit is not a big deal..Its no risk. Your 10 year cap circumventing contract to an ok dman will be one of the worst deals in the NHL and we will see it in a few years.FWIW Burke has gone on record to say he wont dish out that sort of deal, especially to a player like Ehrhoff..For a player like Stamkos, Semin or even Richards maybe.. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 This is where your argument is flawed. A 2 year cap hit is not a big deal..Its no risk. Your 10 year cap circumventing contract to an ok dman will be one of the worst deals in the NHL and we will see it in a few years.FWIW Burke has gone on record to say he wont dish out that sort of deal, especially to a player like Ehrhoff..For a player like Stamkos, Semin or even Richards maybe..Two years is what Buffalo gave Connolly on his last year, so trust me...when he's your second highest paid forward and he's stinking the joint up on a regular basis, it's a big deal. I find it highly amusing that you're just fine with Toronto paying Phaneuf $6.5 million for 20 more goals against at even strength and 20 less points scored. Ehrhoff isn't remotely a bad deal. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Ok, really my final point - Leino and Ehrhoff will combine for more points next season than Connolly and Kessel will. Bet?Its actually a very interesting bet..Considering last year the numbers were VERY similar.I am assuming you wont give me a minimum GP clause as if you did you would have no shot..I ll take the bet for $25..However if you give me a minimum GP clause Ill take the bet for up to a $100.All players would have have to play a minimum of 65 games for the bet to be consummated...Up to you..BTW The Sabres have surpassed the Penguins in my hatred list..However doesnt mean i dont like the fans, especially Adam..I just think they need to realize they will get whooped, they arent a large market team, dont act like something you arent. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Two years is what Buffalo gave Connolly on his last year, so trust me...when he's your second highest paid forward and he's stinking the joint up on a regular basis, it's a big deal. I find it highly amusing that you're just fine with Toronto paying Phaneuf $6.5 million for 20 more goals against at even strength and 20 less points scored. Ehrhoff isn't remotely a bad deal.I will reiterate for the 67th time.The money isnt the issue..if they paid Ehrhoff $7 million for 4 years, I would be ok with it..A 10 year commitment to a player not named Stamkos , Crosby or Ovechkin is WRONG..The Sabres will realize this in 3 years. When you have to pay out Ehrhoff and have to pay him till 2030, then you will see. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I am assuming you wont give me a minimum GP clause as if you did you would have no shot..I ll take the bet for $25..However if you give me a minimum GP clause Ill take the bet for up to a $100.Nope, you're right, no GP clause. I'm good with $25, booked? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Nope, you're right, no GP clause. I'm good with $25, booked?i would prefer to wait till puck drop on the season to see the rosters.However for $25 what the heck..BOOK IT Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Ok, really my final point - Leino and Ehrhoff will combine for more points next season than Connolly and Kessel will. Bet?I will do it for $20, no game min. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 I dont think Burke is done..There is still a lot of cap room to spend..Priority is to sign Schenn and Macarthur ...Bozak as well..After that we should still have about $6-$7 million in cap space. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I will do it for $20, no game min.Ok, works for me. Booked for Serge, booked for Wayne. Link to post Share on other sites
Jason12 0 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Leba out...Fransen in....Burke! Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'm trying to figurenthis deal out and I can't. Is Nashville that desperate to get rid of Lombardi? Franson is a great pickup for the Leafs. There's your top 4 d Serge. Well done Mr. Burke. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 To TOR:Cody FransonMatthew Lombardi4th 2013 (if Lombardi doesn't play 60 games over next two seasons)To NSH:Brett LebdaRobert Slaney4th 2013 (if Lombardi plays 60 games over next two seasons)That can't possibly be right, can it? If the terms are accurate that's the dumbest trade I've ever seen...Toronto gets the two best players, Nashville gets basically nothing AND gets further away from the Cap Floor?Makes zero sense. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I get the desire to get rid of Lombardi. Its not as simple as being able to put him on LTIR Im guessing.But it seems like too little to get for Franson, just clearing Lombardi. Im gonna give Poile the benefit of the doubt here, hes a good GM, and say something is up. Either Lombardi was an anchor no one wanted, or Franson has already talked about the $$ needed to sign him next summer.As for the floor, they still have to sign Weber, maybe they have Arnott on their wishlist, an they might want to sign long term deals with Rinne+Suter. Both are ufa's next summer, and you really cant afford to lose them for nothing if your Nashville.Nice work for the Leafs. I imagine they must be close to capped out though, at least once you factor in a resign of Schenn. What about MacArthur now? Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 That's because we dumped our garbage in your front yard and you just paid $9.5 million for it.lolol.You know what I find funny? The same Leafs fans who last summer said Lombardi was signed for too much, who watched him miss all but 2games due to concussion.....are now thrilled to have traded for him. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Wow. Ty. Cody franson. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Wow. Ty. Cody franson. Wow.And we get a draft pick if Lombardi doesn't play. This is the best day ever I have to think komisarek is now gone. Maybe in a similar trade for an over paid forward.Sick top 4 now Link to post Share on other sites
Jason12 0 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 And we get a draft pick if Lombardi doesn't play. This is the best day ever I have to think komisarek is now gone. Maybe in a similar trade for an over paid forward.Sick top 4 nowIf the Franson trade is any indication of what the market is like for dumping bad salaries id rather they keep Komisarek. Odds are somebody is gonna get injured so he will most likely play alot of games. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 If the Franson trade is any indication of what the market is like for dumping bad salaries id rather they keep Komisarek. Odds are somebody is gonna get injured so he will most likely play alot of games.You maybe right, but if we can get a decent third line player that is overpaid, might be a good trade off..Dont underestimate Burke..We just traded Lebda for Franson..LOLAND this is assuming Lombardi isnt gonna play..Imagine if he plays and he is our third line centre..Just wow. Link to post Share on other sites
Derswick 0 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Cody Franson is a great addition. Quality kid in Jr with the Giants. Sorry to see him become a Leaf. Nice move by Burke Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 I still dont understand this deal from Nashville's side..They need Lombardi's salary..They are under the floor and need salaries..Its not like they are a team against the cap and they should dump salary..Sure Weber is going to take a huge contract but, its weird..Maybe they felt that Franson would not want to sign a long term deal in Nashville and they should trade him away..Cody Franson was born the same day as Sidney Crosby. August 7, 1987Also to the USA conspiracy theorists, nice pick up of two Canadian boys..Franson's salary this year is nearly half of Lebda's..LOLTy Burke. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 So after further review the trade makes more sense when we look at real dollars.The Preds didnt have insurance on the contract apparently, so they would have to pay $7 million real money to Lombardi..While they get cap relief it doesnt help them when they dont have the real dollars to spend in the budget.. Link to post Share on other sites
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