DanielNegreanu 141 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 ummmmmmm......."online you often need to clearly define your hand and your opponent's hand" ? I re-read what I wrote and am not sure what the ummmmm is about? Online more so than live, you need to play hands faster on the flop for example in order to make good reads later in the hand. Playing live, it's much less necessary to make these "information" type bets if you have a good feel for the game. Link to post Share on other sites
wisky_VI 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm on your side DN, there's a few truly great live players who are doing well online......all the rest not so. Hopefully you can grow to be one of those winners and I hope you win huge amounts of mobneys.In the meantime I feel you'd best buckle your seatbelt and hang on for the ride....but more seriously I hope you find the time to play online with 100% focus and achieve your goals and be a winning online player in both NL and PLO. Confidence is key but beware with these fellows, at the very least they are playing more hands per day/week etc and more in tune if you will. GL. I'll be railing when possible and hope to see great results.Jimp.s. hopefully you can get some higher mixed games or 2-7 going on Stars, in those I'm 100% confident you'll be even money at worst but likely +EV. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Uh oh, DN just became part of the gmanshade show. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I was thinking the same thing-Showstopper CowboyMe too-Shakezuma24 Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Let us watch the wisdom that is Gmanshade Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 There is a lot of hype surrounding the online players and I think I may have bought into it a little bit myself. A lot of them are excellent players I'm sure, but I genuinely believe after talking to several, and playing with them from time to time, that there is stuff I know that most of them don't. Compared to playing live poker, I absolutely suck online. Having said that, I believe I'd easily be a winning online player playing 100-200 NL. My "horrible" online play is still better than most, especially heads up. Oh and Bob? My worst game is NOT limit hold'em! Are you insane? Just because you used to call me down with Ace hi and win all the time doesn't mean I suck. I lost to Patrick in a realitively small sample playing limit hold'em because A) he was very good, B) he was more comfortable online, and C) He ran insanely lucky! I've never lost money online playing NLH. Actually, the only real money I've lost online has been in PLO and limit hold'em vs a great player in Patrick Antonius. This 100-200 NL game, from what I've seen, isn't very tough at all. As for my perception of ADZ, I played 250 hands vs him and his strategy heads up vs me was horrendous. Maybe he is good and doesn't match up well with me, or maybe he was "feeling me out," but either way, if he plays that way against on a regular basis without completely changing his approach he has no chance whatsoever.Per Steve7Stud thread, you're not allowed to say, or even think about, C. Link to post Share on other sites
gmanshade 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I re-read what I wrote and am not sure what the ummmmm is about? Online more so than live, you need to play hands faster on the flop for example in order to make good reads later in the hand. Playing live, it's much less necessary to make these "information" type bets if you have a good feel for the game.daniel, i appreciate your thoughtful, courteous, and insightful response.best,gmanshade Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Okay, what I should have said is that Limit Holdem isn't your best game and that you play Omaha 8, Stud 8, Triple Draw, NL Holdem and PL Holdem better You still remember those calls I see B) PS: Balloon Guy was Antonius' coach and he taught him what the lucky cards were going to be. Abusing Mod privledges is a bannable offense in my book. Let's keep the secrets secret.You don't see me talking about the thing with the thing at that place while you were you know??? Link to post Share on other sites
mused01 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 lol drawingdeadDM. I remember a thread a long time ago where you defended NEVER folding KK preflop to the death. Do you still stand by that? Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You're an idiot.Not for your opinions about DN's ability - that's all just opinion & no better/worse than mine or anyone else's....but your other comments...You're simply an idiot....or perhaps an ass hole......are they mutually exclusive?Some of you guys embarrass yourselves when you come Trolling out of Off Topic.I agree.DrawingDead always comes across as some smartass know it all. He's just annoying in general. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm not saying guys like Durr and SBRugby are over rated by any means. I have no clue, I haven't played with them. What I am saying, though, is that I think a lot of the hype surrounding the new generation online player being so far above and beyond the likes of Phil Ivey, Ted Forrest, etc. has been greatly exaggerated.Wasn't Brian on HSP? Also, why didn't you play him at the big game when he was a the Bellagio? Link to post Share on other sites
PrtyPSux 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 So I didnt watch the game... I got a few questions and comments though..1.- From what I've noticed (at least on full tilt) the games get pretty juicy if one big live pro is in the box, on fulltilt this would be true more with guys like Matusow, Edog and a couple others. This is not to say that these guys are bad players (not saying they're great either I haven't played cash with them enough to know) but generally the games get softer because either A) lower limit players get in to take a shot B.) Rich dudes/guys that have had big tourney scores online get in the game. Was that the case at all for these games? Or was it just a bunch of big limit regulars? 2.- I agree with DN's perception of online players, for the most part at least. Hoosier and I have actually had looong debates about this. In general I think the way most online players view poker is flawed, BUT I think they _have_ to view the game like that to be winning online players..... most of them have insanely overblown egos and think that the fact that they've played so many more hands than any live pro makes them more experienced. The last part is true to a certain extent, but in reality a winning player that has played 2 million hands at 10/20 isnt automatically better or more experienced than the guy who's beat the 50/100 game for 100k hands. I think a lot of online players just view the game as a math game where every play is +EV or -EV and thats it, a lot of them throw most phsycology out the window and think physical tells are some sort of myth, this is why a lot of them get crushed live, even by mediocre players. That said, I do believe most of the guys that will sit in a game with Daniel have an edge over him online for sure, simply because they understand online nl cash games a lot better, Personally, I wouldnt want to sit at a table with Menlo and these guys unless its live.. either way I dont think daniel would be a big loser in that game, in the long run, he might even be a break even or slight winner. And like hoosier said, once he understands online better he'll definately be a threat. I think that if he starts playing cash games online it would be great for stars...If I get some money on stars by winning a tourney or a transfer I might play some time and get schooled by DN .it took me like 2 hrs to write this cuz I was playing . Link to post Share on other sites
holdinmynutz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 i was hoping party would reply. Thank you. i wondered your view. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 $tinger 88: daniel, adz said to tell u that he read ur post about him on fcpKidPoker: ok coolKidPoker: is his chat banned?$tinger 88: yeah$tinger 88: from him:KidPoker: I hear he is good, but he doesn't match up well against me$tinger 88: dammit i cant copy/paste$tinger 88: lol$tinger 88: "i never knew he could play for 30 mins and leave and then call someone bad who hes never played b4"KidPoker: its a style thing mostlyKidPoker: played 250 hands actually$tinger 88: and "ask him if he wants to play 4 200/400 hu tables all at once"JohnSmiley1: the king of talking smack is gonna cry about something daniel saidJohnSmiley1: what happened to the jman matchJohnSmiley1: lmao$tinger 88: ok done quotingKidPoker: lol tell him I couldnt play two games, I suck$tinger 88: he can read ur chat heh$tinger 88: just cant talk himselfKidPoker: i get too confused playing more than oneKidPoker: why was his chat banned?$tinger 88: he said its his 3rd or 4th chatbanKidPoker: now this is a game where I'm CERTAIN I'm an underdog inKidPoker: does he talk a lot of smack or something?Do higher level players intstant message each other during most games? Seems like they can collude pretty easy if they do.Something about this seems kind of untrustworthy, these two talking off the table. Is it just me? Link to post Share on other sites
holdinmynutz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 i thought the same g.d. thang.thx BG. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Do higher level players intstant message each other during most games? Seems like they can collude pretty easy if they do.Something about this seems kind of untrustworthy, these two talking off the table. Is it just me?Its just youwell not really but I just love using that line too much to agree. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Its just youwell not really but I just love using that line too much to agree.It's a good line.Funny, I think of it everytime I read your screen name.ZING Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 It's a good line.Funny, I think of it everytime I read your screen name.ZING Im thinking it right now Link to post Share on other sites
PrtyPSux 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Do higher level players intstant message each other during most games? Seems like they can collude pretty easy if they do.Something about this seems kind of untrustworthy, these two talking off the table. Is it just me?people do talk on AIM but I doubt theres any cheating going on... Link to post Share on other sites
xmykro 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 JC, how long did it take you to fully adjust and become a winning player live when you came from online? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Daniel is back in action at Table Chloe 25/50 PLO. Link to post Share on other sites
xmykro 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Daniel is back in action at Table Chloe 25/50 PLO.He went back to bed. But he scored a $4k+ win. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Daniel is back in action at Table Chloe 25/50 PLO.ughhhhhhhh I look away and then he plays and 20 mins later he's gone and I'm too late.... yuck Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Do higher level players intstant message each other during most games? Seems like they can collude pretty easy if they do.Something about this seems kind of untrustworthy, these two talking off the table. Is it just me?no its not just you, and i wldnt put it past anyone i dont know to cheat/collude especially for large sums of money people do talk on AIM but I doubt theres any cheating going on...i know you have a good heart and prolly wldnt cheat but dont put it past any other poker player for every 1 good person there are 50 scum/degenerat asholes looking for any edge they can get . Link to post Share on other sites
rawkodd 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 A full head of hair and a dream.(I'm not sure how far back you meant.)LOL that's one of the funniest things i've read on here in a while (i'm follicly impaired too daniel it's not that bad) Link to post Share on other sites
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