Is The World Actually 6,000 Years Old?

[addaminsane 0]

Hi everyone, I believe this is a good website with information and scientific research explaining why most Christians Believe that the age of the earth is around 6,000 years old. I personally believe it is around 6,000 years old, but i'm not trying to convince you, i'm just inviting you to read into pretty solid research and information from a perspective which looks at the bible and shows research and scientific studies that show support for it as a history book. http://www.answersingenesis.orgThis site has information and research on controversial topics and common questions such as:"Where did Cain Get his Wife?""Dinosaurs and the Bible""Carbon Dating""Where do the Races come From?"....and many more questions many people are skeptical about.I acknowledge that all of the scientific research on this site is biased in the manner of holding Genesis as a literal account of the beginning of history.At the same time, i believe research on the mainstream idea that macro-evolution explains our origins is also biased with many presuppositions in front of it. Scientific studies in the mainstream are interpreted with the theory or preconceived notion that evolution explains life, wheras Creation science interprets the same evidence according the the faith that God created life according to the account in Genesis.This thread is simply an informative thread about a great website where, if you would like to take a look at some good articles from a Creationist perspective, you can...I am sure that this post may get some replies about the questionable validity of Answers In Genesis, or "I'm sorry You're a Stupid Creationist" or "No, The Earth is not 6,000 years old, we have overwhelming evidence that it isn't" Yes, I know those comments and have heard them... However, i do think much of the research is very believable, is very logical, and i enjoy reading alot of the articles. Basically this is a thread inviting people to actually look at Why it is Many Christians believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. Most of it is faith, but there is also scientific and archaelogic support as well. answersingenesis.org has a great presentation of this type of research.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

[KramitDaToad 0]

Hi everyone, I believe this is a good website with information and scientific research explaining why most some Christians Believe that the age of the earth is around 6,000 years old. I personally believe it is around 6,000 years old, but i'm not trying to convince you, i'm just inviting you to read into pretty solid research and information from a perspective which looks at the bible and shows research and scientific studies that show support for it as a history book. but here is a website that is designed to do just thathttp://www.answersingenesis.orgThis site has information and research opinions and propoganda on controversial topics and common questions such as:"Where did Cain Get his Wife?""Dinosaurs and the Bible""Carbon Dating""Where do the Races come From?"....and many more questions many people are skeptical about. creationists are willing to beleive anything but the truth aboutI acknowledge that all of the scientific research propoganda on this site is biased in the manner of holding Genesis as a literal account of the beginning of history.At the same time, i believe research on the mainstream idea that macro-evolution explains our origins is also biased with many presuppositions in front of it. Scientific studies in the mainstream are interpreted with the theory or preconceived notion that evolution explains life, I don't understand how science works but I'm willing to write it off, as the truth scares me.Creation science propoganda interprets bends the same evidence to fit according the the faith that God created life according to the account in Genesis.This thread is simply a n informative thread about a great website where, if you would like to take a look at some good articles from a Creationist perspective, you can... desperate attempt to show that I am not alone in my ignorance and fearsI am sure that this post may get some replies about the questionable validity of Answers In Genesis, or "I'm sorry You're a Stupid Creationist" or "No, The Earth is not 6,000 years old, we have overwhelming evidence that it isn't" Yes, I know those comments and have heard them... (... = "I don't care about evidence") However, i do think much of the research propoganda is very believable slick, is very logical designed to make me part with my money, and i enjoy reading alot of the articles am happy to do so. Basically this is a thread inviting people to actually look at Why it is Many Christians believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. MostAll of it is faith, butas there is also no scientific and archaelogic support as well. answersingenesis.org has a great presentation of this type of research. marketing

Hi, I'm sorry but you've been duped. Answers in Genesis is nothing more than a glossy propoganda machine with no intentions beyond making their founders very rich. On that front they have been quite successful (I'm assuming they have some of your money already)They have been shown to post blatantly misleading articles and have no intention of removing them when exposed.They tell you what you want to hear, you get excited, you give them money, you run off to a forum and share your wonderful discovery, you get shot down in a barrage of common sense, you go back to the website and find something new, you get excited, you give them money etc etc etc

[addaminsane 0]

i know exactly who they are, and you couldn't be more wrong. I've watched them grow over the past 6 years. "Barrage of Commone Sense?" I can go almost anywhere as a christian and get shot down with a "barrage of common sense."Apparently you are threatened by the information on this site and want to try to prevent anyone from checking it out for themselves. No offense, but thats what it seems like.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

i know exactly who they are, and you couldn't be more wrong. I've watched them grow over the past 6 years. "Barrage of Commone Sense?" I can go almost anywhere as a christian and get shot down with a "barrage of common sense."Apparently you are threatened by the information on this site and want to try to prevent anyone from checking it out for themselves. No offense, but thats what it seems like.

LOL maybe he just works for the website, and is spamming ... I hope that's true, I'd rather him be a con man than a complete fcking idiot.

[addaminsane 0]

Say what you will about me, i simply was referring a site in a "religion" thread of this forum which I've read alot of articles at. I promise you i know alot about the organization than you do and its typical to get people saying crude things and calling me an idiot. I called that out in the opening post. Christians are typically deemed idiots because they believe in what is unseen. Yeah, we all know that, nothings changed in the past 2000 years, and the bible says it will only get worse.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Say what you will about me, i simply was referring a site in a "religion" thread of this forum which I've read alot of articles at. I promise you i know alot about the organization than you do and its typical to get people saying crude things and calling me an idiot. I called that out in the opening post. Christians are typically deemed idiots because they believe in what is unseen. Yeah, we all know that, nothings changed in the past 2000 years, and the bible says it will only get worse.

well, I'd say that's a pretty safe bet.

[KramitDaToad 0]

Apparently you are threatened by the information on this site and want to try to prevent anyone from checking it out for themselves. No offense, but thats what it seems like.

Yeah that would explain why I left the link in my reply. I openly welcome anybody taking an objective look at the website. Those unfamiliar with theistic debate will find some convincing stuff there.However all it takes is looking at some of the details and facts they use to support their arguments and the facade starts to fall away. Sorry you haven't reached this stage yet.Here is an example:From their site:It shows a drawing of a fossil along with the claims that the yellow highlights are the only bones found and the rest are reconstructions. The bones that are of importance are the pelvic ones. Notice they are supposed to be missing.Here is a picture of the actual single fossil foundNumerous people have wrote complaining of this deception, including other Christian groups, yet they keep it up there. Oh, maybe they are just a little slow with their admin you might suggest. This has been going on since 1994, so perhaps slow is a little understating it

[KramitDaToad 0]

Oh and for those who like AiG here is how you can help: (from their website)Support OptionsDonate online Donate by credit card using our secure server.Become a Monthly Answers Partner Set up an automatic monthly withdrawal from your checking account or credit card.Donate by phone or by mail View our International Ministry Directory to contact the ministry office closest to you.Planned Giving Services Helpful information about giving through trusts, bequests, gift annuities, and other planned giving strategies.Pray for the Ministry (lol This has only been available for 3 years not even one quarter of the time these con-men have been around. "Can you say tacked on after thought")Read the latest prayer needs of the ministry at AiGPrayer.org.Volunteer Discover how you can offer your time and services to help AiG.Meet ministry needs Learn more about supplies and equipment that can be donated to the ministry.Sign up for American Telecom Network Learn about this unique support opportunity through your long distance phone service.Of course you could buy their countless books or visit the museum for $20 a hit ($25 if you want to take in the planetarium) or if you really like the museum membership is only $1000Yeah, these guys aren't about money at all

[addaminsane 0]

aig is made up of working scientists, archaeoligists, psychologists, etc. Of course they need support. AIG is not simply a static website with some one time crap info. It is an evergrowing site and also the foundation for the Creation Museum. Research is constantly going on many are full time. It is funded just like about any ministry organization there is. That was a very poorly thought out post.Its easy to see when you look into the website the quality of much of the research. You just end up looking unintellegent when you start attacking the site and organization as trying to steal money. Its a team of credited people with PHDs and degrees from major universities etc. Not quite in the same category as the televangelist stereotype.

[Petoria 0]

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[hblask 1]

I acknowledge that all of the scientific research on this site is biased in the manner of holding Genesis as a literal account of the beginning of history.

You do realize that if you use the claims made in a document as proof to support the claims made in that document, then Harry Potter is factual and we have witches flying around us?

[KramitDaToad 0]

aig is made up of working scientists, archaeoligists, psychologists, etc. Of course they need support. AIG is not simply a static website with some one time crap info. It is an evergrowing site and also the foundation for the Creation Museum. Research is constantly going on many are full time. It is funded just like about any ministry organization there is. That was a very poorly thought out post.Its easy to see when you look into the website the quality of much of the research. You just end up looking unintellegent when you start attacking the site and organization as trying to steal money. Its a team of credited people with PHDs and degrees from major universities etc. Not quite in the same category as the televangelist stereotype.

Whose accusing them of stealing money?I'm stating that they get the ignorant unwashed masses to part with their hard earned pennies by supplying them with ready made lies to bolster their untenable beliefs. All above board, and lets face it, taking money from idiots is what we poker players applaud.I also noticed you blatantly ignored the post above regarding 1 of these many lies. Little scared to defend your heroes?Oh, and if you are going to call someone unintelligent - spell it properly

[LongLiveYorke 38]

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Here's my response:lolThat's all I've got.

[KramitDaToad 0]

Here's my response:lolThat's all I've got.

LLY is cooler than Fonzie

[KramitDaToad 0]

http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2006...ng_business.phpCreationism is, it appears, a profitable business. Jim Lippard has a nice piece on Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham's young earth organization. Seems that in 2004, AiG had a total revenue of $10,423,222. Ham himself had a salary of $121,764, with $6,887 in benefits and $63,808 in expenses. Similarly, the Institute for Creation Research had a revenue of $4,341,000 and claims to have spent $2,382,920 on "research in the field of biblical creation". John Morris, as president, made $74,915.Indeed, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, both Ham and Morris are doing very nicely compared to the salaries of full professors - as Brian Leiter notes, "[t]he average full professor of philosophy in the survey earned $82,030, compared to $76,413 for English professors, $80,706 for History professors, $82,554 for Psychology professors, and $87,079 for Social Sciences professors". Needless to say, both are financially doing significantly better than I am as a mere lecturer.That was 3 years ago, and is just the US income.Ken Ham also sits on the board of the UK AiG

[ice4804 0]

OP, rather than relying soley on AIG for your information, I would encourage you to do a bit of research on your own and look into various credible scientific journals, where the data is presented in a much more objectified manner. Researchers who are published in these periodicals do not have any underlying motives. They will not make more money based on how many articles they sell, they are not trying to convince you that their way is the right way, and any other theory is wrong. They are simply presenting the data they have gathered and drawing logical conclusions from it.On the other hand, authors of AIG, no matter how "qualified" they may be on paper, do have underlying motives. They are trying to persuade you to believe in their theories (not to mention, more sales = more $$ for them); this is not how good scientific research is conducted. The ultimate goal of good scientific research should be to arrive at a testable, repeatable theory, and to have concrete evidence to support your theory, not to make unfounded claims about the research that is currently out there in an effort to discredit it.But I digress....read some archaeology and anthropology journals and I think you'll see that some all of the "evidence" presented in AIG is just silly.

[HubDub04 0]

You f ucking idiots. Seriously. The world isn't 6k years old.It's 24 1/3.Religious nuts.

[David_Nicoson 1]

AIG:Some people think that dinosaurs were too big, or there were too many of them, to go on this Ark. However, there were not very many different kinds of dinosaurs. There are certainly hundreds of dinosaur names, but many of these were given to just a bit of bone or skeletons of the same dinosaur found in other countries. It is also reasonable to assume that different sizes, varieties, and sexes of the same kind of dinosaur have ended up with different names. For example, look at the many different varieties and sizes of dogs, but they are all the same kind-the dog kind! In reality, there may have been fewer than 50 kinds of dinosaurs.

[ice4804 0]

AIG:Some people think that dinosaurs were too big, or there were too many of them, to go on this Ark. However, there were not very many different kinds of dinosaurs. There are certainly hundreds of dinosaur names, but many of these were given to just a bit of bone or skeletons of the same dinosaur found in other countries. It is also reasonable to assume that different sizes, varieties, and sexes of the same kind of dinosaur have ended up with different names. For example, look at the many different varieties and sizes of dogs, but they are all the same kind-the dog kind!

This is laughable.The Canidae FamilySpecies:Alopex lagopus (Arctic Fox) Atelocynus microtis (Small Eared Zorro) Canis adustus (Side Striped Jackal) Canis aureus (Golden Jackal) Canis latrans (Coyote) Canis lupus (Grey Wolf) Canis lupus dingo (Dingo) Canis lupus hallstromi (New Guinea Singing Dog) Canis mesomelas (Black-backed Jackal) Canis rufus (Red Wolf) Canis simensis (Ethiopian Wolf) Cerdocyon thous (Crab Eating Fox) Chrysocyon brachyurus (Maned Wolf) Cuon alpinus (Dhole) Dusicyon australis (Falkland Island Wolf) Lycaon pictus (African Wild Dog) Nyctereutes procyonoides (Raccoon Dog) Otocyon megalotis (Bat-Eared Fox) Pseudalopex culpaeus (Culpeo) Pseudalopex fulvipes (Darwin Fox) Pseudalopex griseus (Grey Zorro) Pseudalopex gymnocercus (Azara's Zorro) Pseudalopex sechurae (Sechuran Zorro) Pseudalopex vetulus (Hoary Zorro) Speothos venaticus (Bush Dog) Urocyon cinereoargenteus (Grey Fox) Urocyon littoralis (Island Grey Fox) Vulpes bengalensis (Bengal Fox) Vulpes cana (Blanford's Fox) Vulpes chama (Cape Fox) Vulpes corsac (Corsac Fox) Vulpes ferrilata (Tibetan Fox) Vulpes pallida (Pale Fox) Vulpes rueppelli (Rüppell's Fox) Vulpes velox (Swift Fox) Vulpes vulpes (Red Fox) Vulpes zerda (Fennec Fox) How would they explain this, let alone the entire system of taxonomy? That is like saying, look at the many different varieties of plants, but they are all the same kind-the plant kind!Silly.

[SuperJon 175]

I was raised a Catholic and I believe in God and Jesus. I no longer go to church, but I do try to live a good life. There are times when I will question my faith. There are also times when I see something or experience something, and I believe. Through all of this, however, there is one thing I can be sure of.The world is older than 6,000 years old. Maybe. Speaking of which, when is the world's birthday? I want some cake.

[ice4804 0]

Today, my friend, is your lucky day.

[Balloon guy 158]

A better question: How old did the earth appear to be when God created it?

[Balloon guy 158]

This is laughable.The Canidae FamilySpecies:Alopex lagopus (Arctic Fox) Atelocynus microtis (Small Eared Zorro) Canis adustus (Side Striped Jackal) Canis aureus (Golden Jackal) Canis latrans (Coyote) Canis lupus (Grey Wolf) Canis lupus dingo (Dingo) Canis lupus hallstromi (New Guinea Singing Dog) Canis mesomelas (Black-backed Jackal) Canis rufus (Red Wolf) Canis simensis (Ethiopian Wolf) Cerdocyon thous (Crab Eating Fox) Chrysocyon brachyurus (Maned Wolf) Cuon alpinus (Dhole) Dusicyon australis (Falkland Island Wolf) Lycaon pictus (African Wild Dog) Nyctereutes procyonoides (Raccoon Dog) Otocyon megalotis (Bat-Eared Fox) Pseudalopex culpaeus (Culpeo) Pseudalopex fulvipes (Darwin Fox) Pseudalopex griseus (Grey Zorro) Pseudalopex gymnocercus (Azara's Zorro) Pseudalopex sechurae (Sechuran Zorro) Pseudalopex vetulus (Hoary Zorro) Speothos venaticus (Bush Dog) Urocyon cinereoargenteus (Grey Fox) Urocyon littoralis (Island Grey Fox) Vulpes bengalensis (Bengal Fox) Vulpes cana (Blanford's Fox) Vulpes chama (Cape Fox) Vulpes corsac (Corsac Fox) Vulpes ferrilata (Tibetan Fox) Vulpes pallida (Pale Fox) Vulpes rueppelli (Rüppell's Fox) Vulpes velox (Swift Fox) Vulpes vulpes (Red Fox) Vulpes zerda (Fennec Fox) How would they explain this, let alone the entire system of taxonomy? That is like saying, look at the many different varities of plants, but they are all the same kind-the plant kind!Silly.

Does this fox cross dress?

[DCJ001 0]

Today, my friend, is your lucky day.

Wait a minute. That Earth cake is in the shape of a sphere, like a basketball, which is wrong. Everyone knows that the Earth is flat like this:Don't get too close to the edge. You'll fall off!