Turn Action

[eroc824 0]

1/2 nl holdem- stack size 275ish....mp1 has about 500 and late position has about 400.A8 of clubs in small blind...few limps i complete. Flop is Kc 8s 4c. I lead out for 12, mp1 raises to 25, and late position makes it 45. What would you do here? I thought i could push at this point knowing i am behind but probably have a healthy amount of outs. I decided to call however? (Bad play? Good play?) Turn is the Aspades. So now i have two pair...How do we play it from here? I checked, mp1 bet 40, late position made it 120. Geez is there many people that consider folded here. I decided Aces up and nut flush draw- I'm allin- standard? What do you guys do on turn at all stages?

[krup24 0]

Live No Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $1/$26 playershttp://www.krup.comStack sizes:MP: $500LP: $400Hero: $275Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 8 A MP calls, LP calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: K 8 4 ($8, 4 players)Hero bets $12, BB folds, MP raises to $25, LP raises to $45, Hero calls $32, MP calls $32.Turn: A ($143, 3 players)Hero checks, MP bet bets $40, LP raises to $120, Hero ?.

This hand is kinda tricky. I think I'm more inclined to make my move on the flop versus the turn here. The turn is either a push or fold IMO and I don't think we can fold with the nut draw here. Someone who uses pokerstove will justify that.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Your opponents are taking wacky lines. The late position player is showing a lot of strength by raising, but he keeps choosing strangely small amounts. The middle position player donk bets the turn. What's he representing there? An ace? I guess it's really an attempt at a blocking bet.Here's sort of a random stab at good hands they might hold but we don't really want to see.

Board: Kc 8s 4c AsDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 21.429%  21.43% 00.00% 				 9 			0.00   { Ac8c }Hand 1: 71.429%  71.43% 00.00% 				30 			0.00   { 8d8h }Hand 2: 07.143%  07.14% 00.00% 				 3 			0.00   { 7c6c }

I can't see folding the turn getting ~2.5 : 1. I don't see a better hand (e.g., AK) folding the turn if we raise all-in, so I don't really like the raise. It seems likely that a made hand calls us and potentially profitable draw (for us) folds. If we're raising, I think we need to justify it as a value raise. That is, we're hoping to get action from worse hands. The all-in does get us out of playing a tricky river, but I think we need to call and play it.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I think I'm more inclined to make my move on the flop versus the turn here.

I agree with that. It would help a ton if we had some history for the late position player. That flop raise probably tells us something specific if we know this guy.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Part of the equation in this sort of situation is how you feel your skill level stacks up against your opponents. If they're much worse, then we want to stretch the hand out and add decision points. If they're on our level or better, we might rather get all-in on the flop knowing we're not worse than a 3:1 dog (and often a lot better) with a little dead money in there.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think that one of the likely hands he's against is 44 and the other is a wider range. Against 44, he has 4 outs to make a winning FH and probably 7-8 outs (7.5 outs) to make the flush.I kind of don't mind a turn push becuase it gets him out of making a difficult decision on the river and also provides the middle player a chance to call AI with dead flush draw. If you're just calling the turn, I think it's pretty sick, but you probbaly gotta fold the river UI, which would be sick with the odds you'd be getting.I don't mind sticking it on the turn or reraising on the flop either.

[tskillz187 0]

Here's some bad advice to take with a grain of salt. When in doubt with a combo draw it's always better to push than take any other action, it's very rarely a big mistake to push a combo draw and it makes it impossible to mess up future streets. (there's my flop advice)

[eroc824 0]

Player in MP1 was loose reckless...even stating he likes to play everything. Hes made several bluffs and has been in many pots. His stack has been on a constant rise and fall. I felt he had possible smaller two pair or lesser flush draw. Late position player was playing fairly conservative playing his large preflop hands very hard. I was thrown off because I havent seen him play like this in the previous hour or two we were playing. I was thinking it was something like KJ or K10...top pair and he wanted to get his money in good against opponents who he thought he was ahead of since noone raised preflop. There was a very good chance though that he had something like 44 or 88. What was even stranger was his raise on the turn...because the A is a scare card. I thought it possible he had K8 or even just thought he could push us off thinking neither of us raised so we're probably not holding an A......

[mtdesmoines 2]

1/2 nl holdem- stack size 275ish....mp1 has about 500 and late position has about 400.A8 of clubs in small blind...few limps i complete. Flop is Kc 8s 4c. I lead out for 12, mp1 raises to 25, and late position makes it 45. What would you do here? I thought i could push at this point knowing i am behind but probably have a healthy amount of outs. I decided to call however? (Bad play? Good play?) Turn is the Aspades. So now i have two pair...How do we play it from here? I checked, mp1 bet 40, late position made it 120. Geez is there many people that consider folded here. I decided Aces up and nut flush draw- I'm allin- standard? What do you guys do on turn at all stages?

Why not smoothcall to bring more money into the pot?