Alina 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder. Link to post Share on other sites
crocd99 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.nice Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhoenix88 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.Don't ever question Daniel Negreanu. I'll read the blog in a second. Link to post Share on other sites
Jargonator 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.you seem to be forgeting that in a single poker tournament the luck factor is very large, while in golf is all skill babaaayplus the field in most golf events is less than 100 not >5000. Link to post Share on other sites
Kuge 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.Horrible analogy. Golf is very different from poker in many ways...I'm not even gonna start here...**** it, I'm done. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Tsk tsk, never say bad stuff about DN on this site. It usually ends up pretty ugly. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Does anyone have his exact words?If that is what he said, then i'd like to point out that he doesn't have to play in it if he doesn't want to.I don't like people complaining about the ME being won by 'un-knowns' all the time. It's crap, Greg Raymer, Joe Hachem and Jamie Gold are acctualy very good players with good records, and when he says that it's too hard for a pro to win, just look at some of the top finishers in recent years - Scotty Nyguen was one of the chip leaders but busted in 11th(i think) this year along with Gus Hansen who had a good run, Allen Cunningham managed to make it in 2006, Andy Black in 05, Sammy Farha in 03.He should learn to enjoy the main event for what it is. Link to post Share on other sites
A_Bullets_A 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 It's not that the pros can't beat the amateurs. There are just so many amateurs it makes it unlikely for a pro to win. If you have a tournament with 500 pros and 500 donkey amateurs who do you think is gonna be at the final table? Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Saw "DN moaning" and clicked the link only to be disappointed. Worse than rick roll. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 But surely a pro(meaning just one specificaly) has a better chance of winning a tournament with 50 pros and 500 donkeys than they do one with 550 pros. Link to post Share on other sites
Veener Schnitz 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 ppl have a right to complain every now and again.... Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhoenix88 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Does anyone have his exact words?If that is what he said, then i'd like to point out that he doesn't have to play in it if he doesn't want to.I don't like people complaining about the ME being won by 'un-knowns' all the time. It's crap, Greg Raymer, Joe Hachem and Jamie Gold are acctualy very good players with good records, and when he says that it's too hard for a pro to win, just look at some of the top finishers in recent years - Scotty Nyguen was one of the chip leaders but busted in 11th(i think) this year along with Gus Hansen who had a good run, Allen Cunningham managed to make it in 2006, Andy Black in 05, Sammy Farha in 03.He should learn to enjoy the main event for what it is.No. I admit he is getting better but you can't even put him in the same category as Raymer or Hachem. Link to post Share on other sites
r0llin_game 2 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 moneymaker and gold FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!dunno if i need to state it but obvsw Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.GG,forgetting about the huge and unavoidable luck factor in poker. Link to post Share on other sites
timsta007 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 The dude lost a quarter mil on props for not getting a bracelet this year. Cut the poor guy some slack and let him vent. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 No. I admit he is getting better but you can't even put him in the same category as Raymer or Hachem.Yeh but i needed 3 names and i wasn't gonna put Moneymaker in there:P Link to post Share on other sites
Alina 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share Posted August 22, 2007 Horrible analogy. Golf is very different from poker in many ways...I'm not even gonna start here...**** it, I'm done.If you think there is no luck in golf then you don't really know what happens during a golf tournament. Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 You wouldn't believe what you get when you google image search Moan.edit: That's right. Butseks or little red x's. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Well there's a slight bit of luck because weather conditions may vary but in general that isn't a massive factor.Everything else isn't classed as luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Jargonator 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 If you think there is no luck in golf then you don't really know what happens during a golf tournament.Are you saying the luck factor in a golf tournament is comparable to that in a poker tournament if so, you obv have no clue about either Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Everyone I hope you don't take Alina seriously, he's made DN bashing threads in the past. Link to post Share on other sites
zmoney 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.Moneymaker-lolRaymer-Solid since big winBrunson-Great player but beat like 70 people combined those 2 yearsHellmuth- Only a couple hundred players Link to post Share on other sites
PMJackson21 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 The luck factor in golf is quite a bit less then in a poker tournament, but there are still several factors of luck that come into play. Weather was mentioned, but simple things like where your ball comes to lie (in a divot, etc), spike marks (PGA pros are still allowed to wear metal spikes, unless I missed that change in the last year or two), bad bounces, etc etc. If I hit a wedge, that narrowly avoids the flag it will spin back close, but another inch to the left or right, and I might hit the flag and have it bounce clear off the green.Ewww, or my all time least favorite - having your ball go into a trap and the bunker wasn't raked well/at all. Golf tilt fkadjfkljadfl;jasdl;fLike every sport, golf is def a game of inches, which is what makes Tiger so great to me. It's a sport you really shouldn't be able to dominate at the level he does at times. Link to post Share on other sites
Seymour Bluffs 0 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Shame to see Daniel moaning on Cardplayer about the WSOP main event. Basically, the contention is that pros are too good to beat amateurs and win it. Strange if Tiger Woods couldn't win a major just cos the field is large. If big names like Moneymaker, Raymer, Brunson and Hellmuth can win then so can any pro. Daniel needs to try harder.Which article are you talking about?Cause if it was the one that I read it didn't come off as moaning or complaining at all!And who ever heard of Raymer or Moneymaker before they won the main eventArticle in cardplayer Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 The luck factor in golf is quite a bit less then in a poker tournament, but there are still several factors of luck that come into play. Weather was mentioned, but simple things like where your ball comes to lie (in a divot, etc), spike marks (PGA pros are still allowed to wear metal spikes, unless I missed that change in the last year or two), bad bounces, etc etc. If I hit a wedge, that narrowly avoids the flag it will spin back close, but another inch to the left or right, and I might hit the flag and have it bounce clear off the green.Ewww, or my all time least favorite - having your ball go into a trap and the bunker wasn't raked well/at all. Golf tilt fkadjfkljadfl;jasdl;fLike every sport, golf is def a game of inches, which is what makes Tiger so great to me. It's a sport you really shouldn't be able to dominate at the level he does at times.+1also,..WAAAAA! THE WSOP AIN'T FAIR!!!WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!OMG sorry Daniel, but this picture is just too damn funny to pass up this moment.(who thinks I'll only get banned for a month instead of lifetime?) Link to post Share on other sites
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