A8o On Button - Paired Flop, Hit The Turn

[AKProdigy 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($5.40)MP ($1.30)Hero ($10.65)SB ($6.65)BB ($6.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 8 . 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold.Flop: ($0.70) 6 , 2 , 6 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB calls $0.50.Turn: ($1.70) 8 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.River: ($5.70) 5 (2 players)SB bets $1.1, Hero calls $1.10.Final Pot: $7.90No read on villain.Standard? Do you fold either turn or river?

[mtdesmoines 2]

No read on villain.Standard? Do you fold either turn or river?

What do you think villain has?

[AKProdigy 0]

What do you think villain has?

As I said, I had no read on the villain before this hand. I'm posting this hand mainly to gauge what you guys think he has and whether or not it was played correctly. I'll post rough "ranges" I had him on before and after the turn and river after I get a few responses.

[pokerinc 0]

his raises are too small to fold to, so no I wouldn't.

[mtdesmoines 2]

As I said, I had no read on the villain before this hand. I'm posting this hand mainly to gauge what you guys think he has and whether or not it was played correctly. I'll post rough "ranges" I had him on before and after the turn and river after I get a few responses.

OK, first off ... I hate raising A8. It has very limited value. The blinds in a cash game have very little value. I don't care if we have the button or not, they're not worth "stealing." I'd rather raise a suited 57 from the button than an A8 any day. Anyway, with that being done and over with, we have to figure out why the SB would be willing to risk another five times his small blind to see a flop. Seems like it would have to be a pretty good hand, unless villain is very much into "defending his blinds." But he doesn't re-raise so I would say range is a paint hand KQ QJ, or 99 88 77 . ... 78 89 if he's loose. That's the range in my mind and it's confirmed on the river, and I'll tell you why.So here we are at the flop ... we bet double the value of the existing pot preflop, but then when we see a flop, we slip back down to a 5/7th pot bet after SB checks, so we're both signalling weakness. Turn comes and hits our hand, and we bet even less than our C-bet, signalling even more weakness. We're not filling this pot, and SB is wondering why, so he tests our hand with a raise, either that, or he signals that he thinks he's ahead or this 8 hit his hand, which we then call, further muddying the water. By the time the river rolls around, the SB is so confused, he makes a 1/5th pot bet which we choose to JUST CALL with TPTK.I don't get any of it. I put the villain on 99 or 89 or 78, and think he's totally confused by our line -- he thinks we could have a big ace or a high PP like JJ or TT which is why he makes the weakish bet at the end with his 99 paired 8 etc.

[AKProdigy 0]

OK, first off ... I hate raising A8. It has very limited value. The blinds in a cash game have very little value. I don't care if we have the button or not, they're not worth "stealing." I'd rather raise a suited 57 from the button than an A8 any day.

I play a LAG style. I have A8 OTB, I'm clearly not folding here, and limping is horrible imo. I'm pretty sure this is standard.

Anyway, with that being done and over with, we have to figure out why the SB would be willing to risk another five times his small blind to see a flop. Seems like it would have to be a pretty good hand, unless villain is very much into "defending his blinds." But he doesn't re-raise so I would say range is a paint hand KQ QJ, or 99 88 77 . ... 78 89 if he's loose. That's the range in my mind and it's confirmed on the river, and I'll tell you why.

It's not like 3x bb is a huge amount... I'm not sure why he's "risking" anything, he's calling 0.25 into a pot of 0.45. It shouldn't matter what he has in the pot already, just simply what he has to call and what is in the pot. My button raising range could be fairly wide here. He doesn't hold garbage, but his range might be fairly wide here.

So here we are at the flop ... we bet double the value of the existing pot preflop, but then when we see a flop, we slip back down to a 5/7th pot bet after SB checks, so we're both signalling weakness. Turn comes and hits our hand, and we bet even less than our C-bet, signalling even more weakness. We're not filling this pot, and SB is wondering why, so he tests our hand with a raise, either that, or he signals that he thinks he's ahead or this 8 hit his hand, which we then call, further muddying the water. By the time the river rolls around, the SB is so confused, he makes a 1/5th pot bet which we choose to JUST CALL with TPTK.I don't get any of it. I put the villain on 99 or 89 or 78, and think he's totally confused by our line -- he thinks we could have a big ace or a high PP like JJ or TT which is why he makes the weakish bet at the end with his 99 paired 8 etc.

This is the part of the post that confused me even more. I raised 3x bb, and ~2/3 the pot on the flop... all standard sized bets. I'm not sure what you're implying? Do you want me to bet 2x the pot or something here? And first you put the villain on 78 89 or 99, and then ask me why I just called? I'm clearly not raising there, my only option is folding to the value bet but the 1/5 sized bet clearly prices me in and at $10 NL, I'm pretty sure I call.I don't mean to come off as an ass, but your post was fairly confusing to me to put it lightly.

[No_Neck 0]

A+ you have to open raise A8 in 6max